They are 110% shadier. ACR has been in business for over ten years. Whats actually insane is that I am sure a lot of these club and union owners used to play and complain about the main sites that we have had. Now that they have created these unions they charge more rake than standard sites. They change the rules whenever they deem fit as in they can just decide hey you win too much, you cant play here. Then you factor in that they are clearly breaking laws regarding how deposits and withdraws are being processed with zelle.

I mean at least ACR and bovada are licensed somewhere.

asian hand converter seems to work well except in tournaments when your table gets switched it goes blank. anyone else run into this?

yeah I don't play mtts that often but it happened to me. I think they have a thread in the forum so you could ask them to fix it

The club I am in has a telegram group and scammers were pretending to be mods and trying to get people to send money to them. Not sure if they actually did get anyone's money.

I've been using the ldlplayer emulator and frequently running into an issue where the app thinks I'm in the same location as other people at the table. Is there any way to get around this? I tried the fake gps app, but it doesn't seem to work with this emulator.

You can change your gps settings within ldplayer itself on the right hand side theres an option for it, unless that's the app you mean? It worked for me when I tried it.

Am i a fish if i dont use an emulator or hud? Honestly as a rec player , reading all you nits talk about emulator , huds its a pretty big turn off lol jus saying.

99% of cheating and scummy **** can be avoided if you don’t play no limit and plo4. Play a different game.

Are you using VPN? Sometimes a number of players use same VPN server.

Thanks!

I'm in UTG - at least I think I am - and have had no problems. I'm only playing the $100 PLO games though. What is every ones issue?

They kicked out the affiliates and their players that had too many winning players

I got kicked out of UTG too but my agent hooked me up, got me my roll back and I'm playing in another club w/ no worries. Shout out to Big Hal

Hi all,

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To preface, I've never referred players to, or played on UTG club nor do I know the management.

Before calling them out here though, I think it's worth acknowledging that, given rake in bb/100 on pokerbros, a big club is not going to be totally against winners. (Whether they can/should pay a high rakeback % is another issue.)

What's "toxic" is the regs that want to play 500 hands a week, against only the top 1% biggest fish, and instantly leave as soon as they bust.

It's the only way to have a win-rate that is problematic over a large sample in these games.

It's their right to do this, but they also shouldn't be surprised a semi-private poker club is not interested in their business. (Or that an agent with mostly this type of player is not welcome.)


Afaik everyone who has been removed from reputable clubs for these reasons has been paid in full, and just asked not to return. (At least, no one in my circles has complained.)

The rake is insanely high. Why would anyone play a game where there isn't a massive drooler?


The rake is like 8bucks at 2-4 + the bbjp




this isnt live it's online . 8 dollar rake+ at 2/4 is unbeatable without droolers




per usual the greed of the people running the sites will lead to its downfall

Thats kinda nuts not gonna lie even More Rake is Better PokerStars only charges $2.80 rake cap on those games.. I mean seriously if you cant make it on $100 rake an hour on your electronic table where you arent paying dealers and such then somethings wrong.. I get guarantees are generated by the rake but thats just insane.. Ive always wondered though why not just cut your rake you charge by 25% and drop the rakeback (except for commissions to agents/referrals) it makes things a ton easier to compute in the end.. Whats the difference of making say $6 on a hand vs $4.50 if you dont have to worry about processing all those payments back out to customers.. Only logic is if your doing progressive rakeback like some sites where the more you play and pay in rake the more you get back.. Then I see the logic but flat rake back structure?? youd be better off just lowering the rake (higher rake in fact costs sites diamonds to charge it if you go over 5% and 3BBs)

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for high rake. Just clarifying what's actually going on.

Just wanted to bump this as we have a couple of posters involved in this program so far, and I think it's (understandably) causing a little confusion because it isn't instantly obvious which posters are allowed to advertise. At the moment, it's just "Big Hal" and "whatwonder" that are, and the one way to tell is their custom undertitles (what it says under their screen name; mine is "2+2 Ad Man", for example) - only administrators can change those, so if it says anything about being an "agent" or "rep", then you know that's something authorized by us. I expect we'll be adding one or two more people over the coming week, and will max out at those 3-4 for now. We want to provide the opportunity for agents and people seeking agents (and of course make a little money to pay the bills) while not turning the thread into a spamfest. For that reason, I'd encourage people to contact the advertisers directly with your questions, when possible.

Is this based on a based performance thing or are they offering 2+2 a kickback for the plug?

There are professional agents who are absolutely above reproach but this seems like a huge risk to take exposing your forum base to agents on an unregulated platform.

I can assure you, i understand the risk of well vetted agents is very low. But it seems weird to make the step if you're not being paid.

This is partly wrong

It doesnt matter if people bumhunt 500 hsnds a week or grind 15k hands via 6 accounts. As soon as win to rake ratio of the agent gets problematic the union will act. So far it's mainly Diamond union. They dont like regs taking out of the system very simple. In the end though they run a business and can decide w whom they want to work and with whom they dont. But claiming that only massive bumhunters get banned/are problematic is flat out wrong

I'll give an example of how clubs that are professionally run like to manage their players.

If you are an agent and your player breaks even but you rake 5k you are taking 5k from the liquidity of the player pool.

If your player loses 5k but you rake 5k you are just now breaking even for the club.

So if your player wins 5k and rakes 5k you're pulling 10k from the club effectively which is a huge draw.

Now in real numbers, say a clubs entire playerbase is beating the union for 24k and they rake 80k in a week they're crushing the union for $104k a week.

These agencies/Clubs are NOT a good thing for the union.

A club that is good is one that has say 100k in losses, 80k rake.

So every week the club is contributing 20k more in liquidity than it is draining.



This is a requirement for most unions as it doesn't make sense for a club to join, be able to prey on the weakest players in the ecosystem and also benefit from having significantly more tables running all day long than they could on their own.

You should probably read the post I was bumping - the post I quoted.

Anyone ever run deep in the nightly 100k? I just punted off my stack to finish in 43/2200+. Why can't you use the chat function in MTT?

I don't understand PPI's post. So you're saying that a player who wins $5000 and rakes $100 is more valuable than a player who wins $5000 and rakes $5000? That doesn't make sense to me. Sure, the union prefers a losing player, but all else being equal isn't it better to have a higher raking player? Sure the extra rake is pulling liquidity from the pool, or however you want to phrase it, but that's the whole point for the unions/clubs, is to rake a lot and make money for owners and agents.