The entire system is based on more deposits coming in than going out. Once that stops for whatever reason, it dries up. The protection is in the club owners' and agents' long term greed. The same reason most of us refrain from cussing out our boss, or why a drug dealer doesn't rob his connect. The incentive is to keep it running and continue to make more money. Many of these owners have obviously put in a considerable amount of time and effort to build their club. Unless they have reason otherwise to cut and run, I would think they'd prefer to keep things working right.

What you're describing would have to be a widespread issue with several unscrupulous agents in the same club or union to be a problem for players under any other agent, and even then, limited to that club or union. Of course, again, at any point a club owner could decide to call it quits and like someone else said, run an exit scam. Any agent that handles funds could do the same, it would have to be one with a ton of players to flood anything. I assume that's why the accounting and settlements are done on a weekly basis, maybe on a constant, continuous basis, or at certain threshold, so it doesn't go on and go unnoticed for an extended period of time and have a more damaging effect. Catch a few agents at week's end, nip it in the bud and the bad agents are done. Theoretically the club is able to pick up the slack and handle any shortfalls, maybe even save the legitimate players that were under that agent. That risk of a bad agent could be alleviated entirely by handling deposits and cashouts directly, but if I were a club owner I may prefer some agents handling it. That provides a level of insulation between owner and players and may be more practical. Every venmo transfer is another potential federal wire fraud charge. Probably the reason many of those types of transactions are coordinated straight between player in to player out, though even facilitating it may be an issue, harder to track. Plus less busy work, far fewer transactions for the owner to handle. If you have 3000 players, that's at least one full time job/employee, maybe several, I ready don't know. Let the agents earn their keep and take the risk.

I'm not saying you're wrong. It's certainly a possibly. I'm resigned to the fact that this will all probably come to an end at some point and end up being a "great while it lasted" type of thing. I'll do what I can to protect myself until then, and not leave up any large balances. The first time I can't cash out will also be the last time. That may be a forgone cost unless I have some sort of foresight and get lucky.

You were given an infraction, for which you were
sent a PM - if you want to know more, I think it would make sense to reply to that, wouldn't it?

I didn't delete your posts, but I can understand why it happened. Yes, 23 posts in a row *is* viewed by most as spamming. Try to look at it from the perspective of other people who view this thread regularly. They read the thread most days, and come in here to read the new posts. Suddenly they have to scroll through 23 posts from one guy, most of them responding to posts from weeks ago. Some of them probably already answered sufficiently, others forgotten by now. It's not like there's a rule about not responding to posts more than X days old, or that you can't make more than Y posts in a row, but common sense should tell you that there's a point where it gets to a bit much. Really, when you come into this thread two days in a row looking to make reams of posts, it could seem a bit like you're mainly trying to build your post count and/or reputation.

In future, when coming into threads and reading a few weeks' worth of posts, I'd recommend doing one of two things:

1) There is a multi-quote button to the right of the quote button on every post. When you see a post you'd like to reply to, press that, and then keep going. When you get to the end, press the quote button on the last one, and then you'll have a string of posts you can reply to. But...try to be judicious with it. Even in a single post, responding to 23 posts going back a few weeks is a little crazy. I'm sure you'll find that some of those were answered adequately already, or that the point you want to make has already been made.

2) Just give some general thoughts that would encompass all your answers. Maybe even make some notes as you go. Might sound a little crazy for most, but it seems you have a lot you want to say about PokerBros, so it might work well for you.

OK ill bite, so let's put it this way. Only if they Lose the chips are they on the hook for 10k usd. Threw many forums it has been stated it is not rocket science to multi account at cash tables.

So how is this not monopoly money if let's just say it went as deep as 4 horses sitting at a table going after 2 players deposits? Especially in omaha you control the deck and you are almost definitely going to clean up the table.

You saying its not in the realm of possibility to play 10k with the diamond value of 400 and make double that with little to no risk. In the event you lose these chips to other clubs sure you have to pay the 1.00 usd face value. But I think with this much of a advantage you will come out on top more times then not.

Mr moderator do you have 100s of hours invested into this app or contributed to any of the clubs? By this image I assume you know much more then me how things work.

Personally I have talked to people that were agents on pppoker and was told players are given chips and paid a hourly wage to play them on the tables.

I have 300 hours recorded on DU screen recorder if you would like to review some i can send you them. Players staying in for runner runner with nothing more then a pair in 5 card omaha makes sense right? Flush draw, straight potential on the flop.

But hey there is almost 1k in the pot why not stay in with 4 players with only aces to in the end hit aces full with the turn pairing the board and ace on the river. Keep in mind every ones stack is all in on the flop. One has the nuts, turns the nuts again then ace on river.

Do you do this with real money or money that you don't care if you lose? Because you will just have more chips sent to you and get them next time.

Actually having gone through the entire thread in fact none of what I posted was ever suggested or even remotely implied by anybodyelse.. I was new to the thread and while Ive been a member on here i Usually just read stuff because Ive been warned Mods get heavy handed by some current and former members.. I see they were correct.. Forgive me for trying to provide helpful information which in fact wasnt in the thread.. (Nobody had even brought up alot of the inner workings of the software because it seemed alot are players and dont actually see the business side of it as far as administration and such.. like the insurance issue for example) its ok I get it.

I'm interested in some of the same topics, how it all works, behind the scenes, so don't get me wrong. To be fair, there were several posts (apparently 23) back to back. And yes there were some that answered questions that had already been answered, maybe you're not remembering all 23, and some your answers I don't believe were correct. Others were essentially arguments over semantics. Seems a little silly IMO, maybe a little paranoid, to think mods would be trying to steer the discussion away from shady agents or credit schemes, especially if you have read the entire thread.

Going off memory, chip cost was one that I answered previously and I didn't get the same 1.5% cost that you came up with. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, and it doesn't make too much difference. I see one chip costing 2.5 diamonds, so 1 diamond = 0.40 chips = $0.01546. That's ~3.86% to 4.23%, opposed to ~1.5%. And it actually takes 1.05 chips to give out 1 chip, so is it correct to say it effectively costs ~4.1% even buying in bulk? One funny thing I noticed, and it's a negligible difference, but it's cheaper to buy 60 diamonds 10 times for 0.99 than 600 once for 9.99. Price goes up from 60 up to 1300, then gets cheaper at 2988 and up.

Another post I don't believe is correct was about the rake and BBJ. I'm 99.99% sure, along with others here, the BBJ fee is taken on top of the rake. The first time I calculated rake when I started was at 1/2, ~$370 pot that had 6.50 deducted, which would amount to the 3 bb cap and .25bb BBJ fee for that stake. I looked at another today and it was the same. Could be club dependent, idk.

About the replies to my posts, yea, I wasn't technically playing a SNG, it was set up as an MTT table. I play in a small, local club that runs a small tourney nightly, usually just one table so a few of us refer to it as a SNG. Obviously it's technically not, but one table is technically not a multitable tournament either.

In regards how rake is credited, it is weighted contributed, based on the proportion each player puts into the pot, at least in all of the clubs I'm in. That's according to hands exported from the app to email where it shows the breakdown. I only recently got the export to email to actually work. Couldn't get it to work for the last couple months. I still only see a way to export one hand at a time which sucks.

Anyway, Mike Haven was right and I was wrong about it being winner take all, along with the two agents that told me that. Both said they thought that because that's how it was on PPP, though I have no idea if they're correct about that either.

Last thing, I think you were way off and completely misread the thatssoraven guy, calling him out like some kind of narc and telling him to go away like you're some kind of authority on the matter. If you read all of his posts together in context (if they're still there, Idk), it looked like some young guy with no experience with this sort of thing, genuinely wondering if there's any chance he could get in trouble. I mean, seriously, with those questions, how bad of a cop would he be? It'd have to be Rod Farva of Spruberry. Anyone in law enforcement knows or could find out those answers. Plus everyone is putting most of it out there already and it doesn't take much to figure out the rest. Not to mention hundreds if not thousands of agents or owners advertising and recruiting on Reddit, Facebook and Instagram. That's where it will start.

No, I have very little knowledge of the inner workings of Pokerbros; I was simply replying to your logic that money put in play by club owners and agents is unfair because "they pay 4cents a chip have a endless supply to go after depositing players with little risk?". Perhaps you can explain how that is little risk. When they lose the money, are they not paying it out like anyone else, and if not, how does the winner of the pot get paid?

I tried to give you a polite and thorough answer to why I suspected your posts were deleted, and some suggestions for future posting. It's unfortunate that you've chosen to take nothing of value from this, and seem unable to see this from any perspective but yours. As I already said, if you'd like to discuss this with the moderator who deleted your posts, you should reply to the PM that would've come with the infraction.

And BTW, never did I say or imply in my post that none of your posts had any value or helpful information.

Any of you fine gentleman know how many hands per hour we are getting at a 6 max no limit table?


Ball park figure?

TIA

wat

5-card PLO hi, 6-card PLO hi, PLO 8 or better

Traffic is pretty good up to 3/6.

Yes, he worded it strangely
They have 5 and 6 card PLO
They also have PLO 8 or better.

That wasn't what his reaction was about.

Software is quite slow, I would say around 85

No way 85, closer to 50 per table give or take

Id say 70

I think it's higher than this, but my figure could be high, I do start a lot of tables and play 3/4 handed.

It's definitely not 85 and much closer to 50 but it'll depend on fr or 6m and how soft the games are. The softer they are, the more multiway, the less hands. It plays a lot slower than another site I play on and that site gets about 65 hands/hr.

couldnt find that file there but I just googled pokerbros apk file and that gave another site that had it. tool on the right hand site of LD Player automatically takes it in. thank you!

Been reading through and I see you need a hand converter. I'm guessing Ignition Card Catcher won't work right? I don't see the Pokerbros network in Pokertracker to be able to configure it either?

You need a hud which supports it.

Hand2note
Elitehud (for hem and pt)
Drivehud (i heard)

Does anyone know what a good ROI is? How does the app calculate your ROI on your stat sheet?

Asian hand converter/ Drivehud or Elite hud

In regards to discussion of UTG club:

"These rumors are false. UTG is still in diamond and operating as usual. I severed some relationships with a few affiliates who were bringing in toxic traffic. All player funds are accounted for. I have no intention of exiting diamond union and will continue to maintain UTG alongside my other business ventures, notably my new high stakes club."

Owner asked me to post this

Lol they were kicked out for bringing in winners. How is that “toxic”? Just come out and say it. They were kicked out for having too big of winners. Sugar coating it like they were doing something wrong just makes you guys look like you are being devious which in a way you are.

Pokerbros might be shadier than ACR which i know is crazy to say. This will not last much longer. We already had Blue Monday, and Black Friday, just curious what day is next. Way too much risk.