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05-08-2020 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DaySixNSeven
Your not answering questions here, your not answering via your site and email...

Call the number on the site. Pretty sure I know who that is looking at the email on the site. Calling would be the fastest and easiest way to reach him.
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05-08-2020 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Anon4567
I don't think they should be allowed to play in their own clubs in the big unions. How is it fair they pay 4cents a chip have a endless supply to go after depositing players with little risk?

I think they should join another club and pay the full rate that we do as a player if they want to play. I wish I had all the info that is out there now before I starting playing these club based games. I would have never started.
You're fundamentally misunderstanding how money and buying chips works.

If i buy chips for .4c on the dollar, that's a sunken cost to buy more chips. Then i send $100 to myself in chips and lose them. The club now has a $100 hole because when they're lost they immediately represent value at $1 a chip in another players balance.

If you lost 10k chips, yes you only lose $400 worth of diamonds but someone is still trying to cash out 10k chips for 10k usd.


This only works if your club is a ponzi scheme or you're trying to exit scam. And if that was your goal you could just not send back players deposits and get the same result.
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05-08-2020 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Anon4567
I don't think they should be allowed to play in their own clubs in the big unions. How is it fair they pay 4cents a chip have a endless supply to go after depositing players with little risk?

I think they should join another club and pay the full rate that we do as a player if they want to play. I wish I had all the info that is out there now before I starting playing these club based games. I would have never started.
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05-08-2020 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Fossilkid93
How much stock do you guys put in the level # each club has attained?

For example, if you're deciding between 2 clubs and one is Lv:14 and the other Lv:4 would you assume that the 14 has probably been dealing with a large #s of players longer and would thus be the safer option?
Im currently researching between PPPoker and PokerBros.. A clubs level I can tell you means only they have paid the fee to be that level I currently ate the fee to go to Level 2 as Im trying to play around and figure out the Union thing and your club has to be Lvl2 to be or start in a Union. (PPPoker currently only goes to 10 Levels meaning a club can have 2500 players I believe and based on Diamonds that cost is roughly $1700 a month in overhead minimum) with PokerBros the level goes to 20 allowing for up to 7000 members in a single club potentially.. Im still trying to get some exact answers from support.. Truthfully I kinda like PPPoker better as far as setting stuff up (also it allows for any Buy In number you want but downside is its a fixed tournament fee charge where as PB allows you to set any price you want on the Tourney Fee Pct) and they have SNGs which is the one thing so far that PokerBros is missing terribly.. If PB actually had SNGs in their tournament options it likely wouldnt even be a question which option is better..

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Originally Posted by BobOjedaFan
Can I get away with this?

My home game has moved to pokerbros. We have a club, where one guy takes all our money on venmo, buys diamonds for chips and then distributed them to us. He also tells us if we cash out he loses 5% on the transferout. He set the rake to minimal, dude isn't trying to 'make' money just hope he breaks even.

Question.


Let's say I want to cash out $300 and another player wants to purchase $300. Can I just sit headsup with him, and intentionally dump the money preflop? Will pokerbros ban me for this obvious work around, has someone tried it or have a better idea?
Forgive me if anybody answered this before but as far as I know that 5% with PokerBros is on incoming chips not outgoing.. I know if Chips are sent from a Club Manager or the owner to a player PB charges 5% on top against the Clubs chip count.. I did a reclaim of chips from a player (testing it out) and didnt see anything deducted from the return of the chips to the main owner acct.

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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69
Honestly i would have no problem taxing top 10% winners and giving it back to the bottom 10% losers, at least it keeps the economy roling a bit. But none of the money goes to the losers so your argument that this is somehow better for the game is bs.
Answer to resolve is use that tax money to fund freerolls for lesser players (dont know if folks know this but you can set a tournament to force it to ask permission for people to register for it you can also set a minimum VPIP so if somebodys VPIP is low they also wouldnt be able to play the freeroll).

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Originally Posted by TonyBony824
How does the rake model on Poker Bros compare with the standard?

Do they take 5% only if you win during the session?

and how does this compare to standard rake models currently used by Pokerstars etc?

thanks
Rake can be set individually for each table.. If a table is set about 5% PokerBros charges a surcharge to the club.. same with if the cap is above 3BBs.. PPPoker only allows up to 5% per hand and 3BBs.. Also I believe the rule on both is no flop no drop for rake.. If a site has a BBJ it also will deduct FROM THE Rake (not the pot) a portion to add to the BBJ be it club level only or Unionwide

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Originally Posted by Vision72
I am not asking how often they get hit by random players.

Instead I am asking how much this costs you in bb100 on various stakes on this app (and compared to PPP) besides regular rake you pay on this app, assuming you happen to not hit those at all, which will happen to close to all/vast majority% of players for infinitely long periods of time.

Shiny big numbers for 1st places in massive AFS MTTs and pseudo-guarantees are attractive for recreational players as well, we get that.
As far as I know the BBJs are funded from the rake collected and not on top of the rake collected So if the club/union is at the normal 3BBs cap to avoid the diamond surcharge the BBJ addon comes from the rake collected across all tables..(if Im wrong somebody please correct the statement.. Im sitll doing research on the whole thing myself)

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05-08-2020 , 10:26 AM
On pppoker, BBJ is taken in addition to rake.

e.g if you set 1/2 to 5% at 3bb with jackpot on it will take a maximum of $8
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05-08-2020 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by PPokerInside
On pppoker, BBJ is taken in addition to rake.

e.g if you set 1/2 to 5% at 3bb with jackpot on it will take a maximum of $8
Same as pbros, for example 1/2 2bb max rake,they will take 4.50$ in a capped pot (4$ rake + 0.50$ bbjp)
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05-08-2020 , 01:42 PM
Is there a way to tell what Union your in? The club I joined has a TON of players. Like 10+ cash games going at all times at all levels up to 5-10.

My agent is a local guy so I'm guessing there's no way it's all his players. So say I give him 1k and he gives me chips and I play and start winning. What happens to the money I gave to him in between the time I start playing and the time I cashout. Then when I go to cashout 5k, where does the money come from? Does it only come from his own players? Do the clubs have to settle up between each other each day or what?
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05-08-2020 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
Is there a way to tell what Union your in? The club I joined has a TON of players. Like 10+ cash games going at all times at all levels up to 5-10.
I don't believe there is a way to tell from the app. Just ask your agent what union you are in.
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05-08-2020 , 02:38 PM
Do they have plo8? Can I see games without signing up with an agent?
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05-08-2020 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
I don't believe there is a way to tell from the app. Just ask your agent what union you are in.
There is a way, just open a table the name of the Union is usually displayed in the middle of the tables
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05-08-2020 , 09:24 PM
Oh I see. It shows in parenthesis with the other table info.
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05-08-2020 , 09:41 PM
anyone have the error in the LD player where Google Sign-In just gets blank? you can click on settings above and everything but just blank. this is right after clicking install for Pokerbros...
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05-08-2020 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheney1
Do they have plo8? Can I see games without signing up with an agent?
They have plo5 plo6 and plo8
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05-09-2020 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69
Same as pbros, for example 1/2 2bb max rake,they will take 4.50$ in a capped pot (4$ rake + 0.50$ bbjp)
doesn't the rake differ among the clubs though

for example i thought on Under the Gun rake was 3 bb at 1/3 .. so 6 bucks plus bb jackpot

which is very high.. so u need the 40% rakeback from an agent or the rake would be overwheliming and have no chance of winning.

also have to still drop alot of hands out of your hand ranges due to the rake being signifigant on there even after the rakeback given....

IN high rake games.. U have to drop 5% of your range compared to a no rake game .
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05-09-2020 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyBony824
doesn't the rake differ among the clubs though

for example i thought on Under the Gun rake was 3 bb at 1/3 .. so 6 bucks plus bb jackpot

which is very high.. so u need the 40% rakeback from an agent or the rake would be overwheliming and have no chance of winning.

also have to still drop alot of hands out of your hand ranges due to the rake being signifigant on there even after the rakeback given....

IN high rake games.. U have to drop 5% of your range compared to a no rake game .
I was just giving an example, but for sure jackpot fee is separate from the rake.
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05-09-2020 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JonCash31
anyone have the error in the LD player where Google Sign-In just gets blank? you can click on settings above and everything but just blank. this is right after clicking install for Pokerbros...
Why do you need to sign into Google on the emulator?
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05-09-2020 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MeleaB
Why do you need to sign into Google on the emulator?
As far I know, like on your phone, they make you sign in every time you install an app?
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05-09-2020 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by JonCash31
As far I know, like on your phone, they make you sign in every time you install an app?
Nope
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05-09-2020 , 02:10 AM
How does the money work????

Is there a central authority holding the funds of a union?

Does anybody know?
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05-09-2020 , 02:19 AM
Sorry guys I meant Google Play. Hit the yellow install button and then Google Play. Click Sign In and that's where a circle spins and just turns blank. At least I'm further than when I tried with Blue Stacks...but I've literally been trying to download PokerBros for three days!
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05-09-2020 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JonCash31
Sorry guys I meant Google Play. Hit the yellow install button and then Google Play. Click Sign In and that's where a circle spins and just turns blank. At least I'm further than when I tried with Blue Stacks...but I've literally been trying to download PokerBros for three days!
Just download the apk file from pokerbros.net
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05-09-2020 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
How does the money work????

Is there a central authority holding the funds of a union?

Does anybody know?
Every club holds its own player pool funds usually the clubs of the unions settle at the end of each week
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05-09-2020 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Plw
Every club holds its own player pool funds usually the clubs of the unions settle at the end of each week
Any idea how many clubs make up the diamond union?

They all have to transfer money and receive money from multiple clubs weekly based on the amount of money 1 club lost to another?

Having a trustworthy agent sounds important, but what happens when a club doesn't pay your agents club? Is there some sort of escrow required for the chips a club distributes?
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05-09-2020 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes

Having a trustworthy agent sounds important, but what happens when a club doesn't pay your agents club? Is there some sort of escrow required for the chips a club distributes?
Why is it so hard for people to understand there is absolutely no protection at all?

literally dozens of people in this thread have explained how dead simple and untraceable it is for degenerate agents to flood games with Monopoly money as long as they have more $$$ coming in deposits than going out

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05-09-2020 , 06:09 PM
Ok its no longer a question of if its why.. Admin why are my responses just disappearing into thin air.. Nothing Ive posted is off topic and it all relates to PokerBros and how the software works from what Ive seen and researched yet it seems anything I post on the inner workings is getting deleted by Mods for no logical reason as if to steer the conversation to just discussions about agents being trustworthy.. its a fair question I think.. Others discuss policies of clubs and unions in here yet I bring up the its a bad idea to offer credit as a club and if the agents are doing it it should be on them alone and again my response disappears.. Just doesnt logically make any sense why this is happening.. Im not spamming the thread I was working my way through the whole thread as I was curious about the whole conversation.. Alot of what I pointed out made perfect sense and nobodyelse had mentioned it. So what gives??

On something directly related to PokerBros.. Not sure if folks are aware but Clubs/Unions have to option to offer insurance on All-Ins if they choose to do so.. Its a small diamond fee per hour of the tables being open (micro stakes its like 1 diamond so basically less then .1bb/hr).. Surprised nobodys really offering it out there because if they were Im sure it wouldve been brought up in this thread.. Is it an operational expense sure but it could easily kill the theories of folks who constantly claim bad beats by protecting from 1-2 outter suckouts that seems to be a complaint across online poker is general

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