No reported issues here

this is wrong info because there are already more than just 2 unions but most people won't have access to those extra unions. I know of at least 2 other decent sized unions and also some indepedant clubs. There will be more going forward.

Overall alot of people don't really understand the system because it's difficult.

Clubs are at the mercy of the unions. While panamericana so far is fairly laid back Diamond union hates big winners and they will do whatever it takes to protect their games. This goes from banning winning players (so far very rare) over restricting stakes of a club (can only offer games up to 200NL for instance even though there is traffic up to 5 10) to outright banning clubs from the union.
This seem to have happend to UTG because UTG had a very bad win/loss vs rake ratio for a while now. Only because a club is banned and your funds aren't there anymore doesn't mean you got scammed. If you work with reasonable agents you will just get your money back but cant play in this club anymore.
For instance when they banned UTG club they will send back all balances to the agent and then it's the agents responsibilty to bookkeep and pay back players accordingly and potentially look for a replacement club to continue in this union.

Even though Diamond is very hard to maintain I haven't heard of a single scam yet where a player actually lost his deposits so at least the 2 big unions seem to be very reliable moneywise for now. Nevertheless not only unions or clubs can scam, agents can do so too so you should always make sure to vet people you are going to work with cautiously before you send them any money

If theyre so against winning players, what if someone wins one of the tourneys for 20-50k do they get banned? Does anyone even win these tourneys then if they dont want winners in the diamond union?

Well when sombody is wining like thousands a month every month that would be the sign of a big winner.. and very good player.

They are not going to boot anybody just becaue they got lucky in a mtt.

they should not but in reality it could be still a problem.

on my end there were problems for instance with guys who won 5 digit jackpots and then club got alot of heat from the union for bad win/loss vs rake ratio lol. Essentially winning an mtt isn't very different from that aspect so yes, if we apply logic it shouldnt be a problem BUT given how they reacted to jackpot winners I wouldn't be too sure about this

Questiong about Drive Hud..

Where/ How do you access more stats like fold to 3 bet ?
how often somebody 3 bets? etc?

I see the stats on the table.. isn't there something to click on table to find this/ more info?

thanks

Question about Poker Minion?

HOw much it cost ?
I tried to download it but my micro soft defender did not let me.
I guess i will just have to turn off defender when i download it.

If anybody else uses this and want to chit chat about Poker minions or study poker and good pm.


So the clubs got heat by union because the people who wan jackpot for what exactly?

do u mean the winners of the jackpots barely played?

or they were high volume players?

If you win a jackpot or mtt you will have alot of winnings and very little rake. This is the main metric diamond union uses to evaluate if they want to continue working with a certain club or not

Yes I was having issues a few hours ago. Was in the middle of a sng too so was kind of pissing me off. Ended up bubbling it. Not blaming that entirely but it did cost me a BB where I would've called a shove and I missed a shove spot, both on the bubble when I was down to under 10 BB. Who knows how those would've worked out, could've still lost either. It is frustrating though.

We don't need another PaulyJames on our forums (don't ask) - search is your friend. There is a support thread for DriveHUD in the Commercial Software forum, and it took me less than 5 seconds to find pricing info on Poker Minion's site.

Seems like a rather odd situation because in Diamond union, cross union mtt winnings and jackpot winnings are deducted from the ecosystem scale that they use to determine who the consistent crushers are.

Yes in layman's terms this means cash game players paying rake are way more valueable of course than mtt players... who pay much less on average than a cash game player paying 5k a month in games..

Somebody was telling me that some clubs did the rake 70/30?
Winners of pot get 30
Losers get 70 percent

Is this true? For example since Under the Gun Club just left Hal on Palm Beach and not even sure how the do the rake.

Also does the asian import thing from drivehud keep track of all hands so can know for sure how much rake paid and what i'm getting back ? etc

Question

Can anybody explain all about how most clubs rake the pots on poker bros?

Who else got booted from Under The gun club?

I guess they kicked out winners?

I guess i will just get online and try to find another reputable agene to sign up there again ?

Something that is messed up in reality is these sites / clubs never want to have an option to find out how much rake you are paying..

that way people can steal your rakeback potentially if with a bad agent etc.

I've cashed in around a dozen in the last few weeks, highest being in the top 15 for around 3k in the 250 buyin, 100k gtd. That prize pool gets up to 300k+ and I wanna say it was around 60k up top. Even the nightly 35 buyin regularly gets up to 250k with almost 40k up top which kinda blows my mind.

I'd like to hear from some real big winners too. Of course how would we know if they're truthful, and honestly I probably wouldn't put it out there if I won 40-60k, unless I didn't get paid. Even then, as ashamed as I am to say it, it would probably be some time before I came out with that, still holding onto the chance of getting paid. I would think that if people weren't getting paid, someone would've been vocal about it. These things are running daily with several big ones on the weekends.
Right, there are definitely more than two unions. You've obviously got way more knowledge on this than me. But there's a Unions tab on every global MTT that shows the ones involved. Is this confirmed about UTG shutting down or leaving Diamond? I'm in UTG and was just looking at Diamond tables and MTTs running. Maybe it'll happen tomorrow? Idk. We may be hearing the remnants of a game of telephone. That club is level 16 which holds up to 5k players, right? Idk how big the Diamond union is but I would think dropping a club that size would put a huge dent in the pool.

When you talk about clubs being at the mercy of the union, who is the union exactly? Who's making those decisions? The biggest clubs? How many clubs with 5k players are out there on pokerbros?
I think they're still making a killing on rake. The $35 runs every night and I've almost always seen it break $200k and $250k the last few weeks. At 250k, that almost 8k buyins, at 3.50 a pop for a total just shy of 30k. Idk how much it costs to run that in diamonds. But all they have to do is set it up once and watch the chips roll in. Most of those players are playing cash tables at the same time.

Good luck, sincerely. Lot of players and agencies scrambling around right now.

This is the rake for diamond and sapphire union. Can't speak for the rest:

Wow you must be a super crusher. That must be record time being booted from a club. Considering you just started playing 2 weeks ago.

If you really hit 300k in that short amount of time that is bad in the club eco-system. Id request my bag of money and bounce.

actually played there about 5 days and booted.. i guess for winning too much right?

i never said i won 300k on there..
won like half a mill over my lifetime though/ not paid all of it
some sites screwed me out of alot

long story

That's why making your homework and/or finding a reliable agent that is checking how the clubs are handling players funds is important

Cant they take a deposit via bitcoin then immediately cash out so they dotn have to worry about the price changing?

or put money on bitcoin real fast then just send it to u quick?

i was just talking to an agent and he said he could cashout me out via paypal for free ... but if i used bitcoin he would charge me 5%

for deposits he wants me to send him bitcoin.. not use paypal.. surely because they worry about chargebacks etc

ADVICE

i told this new potential agent i might work wth i want a screenshot every week of what he gets.. my gross rakeback, which he said he gets an excel sheet from poker bros... He AGREED to show me weekly this.

ASK YOUR AGENT TO SEND U PROOF, A SCREENSHOT AT LEAST OF THE INFO HE GETS FROM POKER BROS WEEKLY TO VERIFY HE'S NOT SCAMMING U

sounds good right?

EVERYBODY SHOULD ASK THEIR AGENTS FOR SOME PROOF WEEKLY

Also can't see download all our hands using an import folder? what hud or program lets u track all your hands on poker bros?

and also ask for all his immediate family info in case u need to come track him down and give him ass whooping and titty twisters..

Question

What % OF THE rake per hand goes into the bad beat jackpot?
anybody know?

everything about the bad beat jackpot is fair to all players right?
and honest right?

If you click on the "JACKPOT" sign at the top of the table, you can view recent winners, qualification, and amount taken for bad beat per stakes.

Hmm so the higher stakes players pay more into it than other players right?

do they win more also if they hit bad beat?

otherwise does not seem fair?

a penny player will win just as much if they hit bad beat as a bigger player?

hmm?

Of course they win more. It's right there in the same place you just looked. Literally on the same screen right beside how much each stake pays in.

questiong

how much does it cost to throw a tomato at somebody ? how many diamonds?

20 cents?

2 diamonds, its like 10c , super worth it, i like to throw flowers at the fun player too when they 1 outer me in 1000bb pots

Can you join more than one club? I.e. if I join a new club, it will not kick me out of my existing club?

LMAO

question

is there a way to get notifications when somebody somebody replies and quotes me on here?

or when somebody makes a new post in this thread?

thanks

lol yeh i have not look at the bad beat page yet

question

Its prob less likely there are bots on poker bros since most agents talk to people personally and stuff?