I kinda doubt most agents would do that. Sure there are some shortsighted and greedy ones, probably some running multiple accounts on their own. I wouldn't if I was an agent. Basically getting a free income stream for very little in return. Wouldn't be hard to dupe and agent though, say you're signing up a buddy and get a referral bonus.

Do they have to be running on computers to bypass they bypass the GPS/IP features? I can't play on my phone unless I grant location access. I guess VPN throws that off too? Is there no way to prevent that? No way to write a program to identify accounts that are always at the same table and then monitor those?

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At least 2 players in 6bet's thread said they can not login to the same cash table due to GPS/IP restrictions but they are able to enter the same tournament. The consensus seemed to be that it is allowed in tournaments. I don't know what would happen if they ended up at the same tournament table with themselves.

how Do you guys play on Diamond and Panamericana and win consistently? Our club banned our sub club (like 5 players, at least 3 theoretical winning players imo) from both after winning too much (after a laughably small sample..literally got texts from my agent that he’s getting heat after winning coolers lmao) They clearly weren’t tracking our play just the +/- on our agents accounts. We were getting good rakeBack on pan and a bit worse on diamond (33-20 pct respectively). Any idea what the story was with this? FWIW we all did get paid.

i don't even play tournaments but i'd be way less worried about collusion in tournaments than in cash games

I just figured with everyone multi-accounting there are likely people multi-teaming as well.

Collusion is why I basically only play holdem. I might consider PLO in a small home game esque club but def not on the bigger ones. Jungleman pointed out on Ingram's podcast that on sketchy apps like pokermaster, some of the games are soft enough that it almost doesnt matter if theyre colluding. This is probably true in very soft holdem games but almost certainly not in PLO

Multi entering MTT's on the app games at pppoker/upoker/pokerbros is so rampant that the average losing player is being destroyed.

I know people bragging about limping hands and having their other account open so they can Jam.

It's not at all uncommon and in a $75 rebuy mtt the other night i watched one person sat next to his other account with the same name and similar avatars.


Collusion in PLO/PLO5 is obviously the worst but regs are entering 3-6 accounts in MTT's is pretty disgusting. There is ZERO way to stop it in union settings.

A reg can just open an account in 3 different clubs and noone would ever know. Most crap tier clubs will look the other way just so they can make the extra rake.

Also I turned on "show badges" and it has "C" marked by certain players in different colors. Anyone know what that means? I thought it was players of your own club but the "c" is next to my name in some tables but not others

oh i'm sure they do

I watched this stream as it happened and the streamer's demeanor changed big time when they got called out + he started typing like a mad man for 15 or so min.

Would also like to add that these guys are part of a 5 men streamer household.

Trick is to be in a subclub with donkeys , they only look at overall +\- numbers

anyone welcome to this? pm and invite me if its open. thx

Yeah this happens.

The main reason I had to make so many accounts in the first place was because they were constantly getting banned from the clubs (since all winning players get banned very quickly) and I had to keep making more. One guy in our club literally got banned for winning $1500 at 1000nl. It was ridiculous.

Not once have any of us ever had our money confiscated though. They'll ban you for winning money, but they're at least decent enough to let you keep your winnings, which is nice.

We cap winners occasionally so for example if a sustainable limit is 400nl but you're sitting 600/1knl we might say that you're welcome to play but only at 400nl.

I think this is a better system, that way winners have to assess whether playing those games is worthwhile for them but know they're still able to play within the club.

It is an unfortunate reality that clubs don't have unlimited reach. If you own the losing players the club may die.

Anyone else thoughts on this? Is this what's happening at the moment or has it gotten more strict now that there are more checks in place?

Best I can tell, if two or more players from the same club are at the same table, they all get the same color . I've been at tables with several players with different color s, but the colors always match at least one other color. I've never seen only one at a table, and I've never seen for example only one blue , there are always at least two. There may be two greens s, three red s and two yellow. Indicating all of the green are from Club A, red Club B and so on. So whoever has the same color as you is in your club. That's an assumption but I can't think of what else it could be. Haven't found a clear answer anywhere either.

Club was probably already getting a bit of heat for having too many winners.

Yes this is what I have been warning all of you for months.

I DID IT MYSELF. Just to prove a point and show how easy it is.

All you need is LD player and a phone... thats it.
You can even clone your own LD player and open multiple ones (kills PC performance) and you can enter the same tourney across 3+ LD players + your phone.

So what happens is.... people wait until theres lets say 30 sec left to reg. They click enter on all apps as fast as they can, and usually will get most if not all accounts @ the same table. Now you can chip dump / avoid spots and obv have a huge edge.

Cash games? Forget about it. You will need to cheat to offset whats happening to you. 5/6 Card PLO is the worst. LD player + your phone = 12 cards at your disposal.

Want to get really creative? Drop a laptop off at a friends or family members house. Now log in remotely using google remote desktop (free and SUPER easy to use)

Now enter a cash game with your remote desktop on your PC. Now open LD player on the same PC and open another client of PB. Now get on your phone. Life is easy with 18 cards.

Why am I saying all of this? Because I think the app is abused and riddled with cheats and I rather expose them and give knowledge to everyone else to fight back.

I know I was cheated in multiple clubs, so when I realized how easy it would be, I tested it. And it worked.

Be warned. Be careful.

Stop moaning please, in every.fkn.thread... Be it PPP thread, Pokerbros thread, you just spew the same nonsense. I'm sorry, if your brain is damaged, but it's not Pokerbros fault.

I mean, it's also not app's fault that remote desktoping / vpn-ing exist. This all existed in 2005, also exists today in every online poker room. Welcome to the interwebz. Let security department do their job. If you are not happy how security department does their job, change poker rooms.

Yes. My brain is damaged and thats why I am able to collude and spot the colluders. You nailed it.

You are obviously CLUELESS.

Let security do their jobs? You realize they dont stop anyone or prevent anyone from doing this? Actually you don't realize it. Because it continues to happen. If you report someone for doing it and they investigate and "ban" the account, it takes 20 seconds to make a new one.

Also you say I keep saying the same stuff right. Look @ all the new posts asking about it. Clearly they didn't go back and read it. You can choose to skip over it, or ignore it.

Either way, stfu nerd.

lmfao how come every time someone comes in here and demonstrably proves how the cheating takes place people come in and are like SO WHAT?

WHAT ****ING SECURITY DEPARTMENT you DOLT!!! PB has ZERO security the only security is ypu telling your agent this is going on them him being like ok ill look into it and doing nothing about it cause it benefits him and the club through more rake and bigger perceived prize pools. Seriously stop discrediting everyone for saying **** is rigged or this is the way its done. the world isnt perfect and the gambling world definitely isnt regulated that were all operating in. theres hella bad actors and everyone that comes in a thread to discredit someone when they have somehting legit to say is just facilitating the crime and cheating for the bad actors. shame.

would like an invite as well

I've been playing on PP and Bros for 14 months. Consistent winner with only 2 losing months so far. I play 5 and 6 card plo, from.5/1 to 3/6. Hand sample approximately 325,000. If anyone's cheating me, I haven't noticed.

Lucky you then. Glad to hear you’re winning.

hypothetical:

i send 1btc worth 10000$ and get 10000pb chips.

A. 1 month later, btc drops 50%. i lose all the chips. now when the agent goes to settle. i owe an additional 1btc to cover the drop of btc dropping 50% to make it back to 10000$. Is this fine? If this is the way, surely theres a huge liquidity problem with so many people playing on credit during btc dumps?

Assuming A is fine, what should happen in scenario B?

B. 1 month later, btc gains 50%. i didnt lose. (breakeven or win) i go to cashout my 10000pb chips. However, agent doesnt send me my 1btc back which has gained 50%. He sends the equivalent 0.66btc back instead (10000$ converted to btc now). Is this fine or should i get my full btc back?


If i should get 0.66btc back. Arnt agents making an absolute fortune making players cover the loses on huge btc dumps, but paying out the equivalent of the $ value on pumps? This hasnt happened to me. Just curious incase i ever get to that scenario.

Are all agents auto converting btc to usdt when they receive btc from players?