Party only anonymised HHs for cash games. Fast Forward, SNG, MTT etc. still have normal HHs and using them to get HUD is fine.

It is also possible to get a HUD to ring games but it would be against the rules. Problem here is that it only took few days for 3rd party software developers to circumvent the HH anonymisation and now it's been weeks and we are still in a situation where ppl have tools Party can't detect and also our chances of busting bots have decreased tremendously as we can't form profiles on players

I was talking about Party not being able to prevent HH converters if they keep showing SN at table. It's not only bots who use HH converters.

You are claiming Party could access our databases and see if we have HHs with SNs in them? I can't comment that but could also argue the bot developers could program their own HM2 type program that has encrypted database. I'd stick to solutions you can enforce on everyone (like preventing table scanners and datamining previously).

Thanks Lessu, I was still confused but you cleared it up. Hand histories are OK for MTTs then.

Yep, noticed my reply didn't clear up your concerns and I could've use better wording in my explanation.

If you agree with me and other posters in this thread about the HH anonymisation concerns, don't hesitate to email/live chat directly to Party. The more people voice their concern to them directly the better.

Done. I just sent an email.

Lessu, party has all the HH they could easily just buy HM themselves, import the HH and make a script that scan for X + X + X stat for all russian/eastern euro players.

but if they were to do this, they would end up having to ban most of that part of their player pool.

so you think "most of" party players are eastern euro bots?

repost from Russian PokerStrategy forum:
Colette, any comments?

So holdem manager is not allowed maybe a little kappa but how about poker tracker or hand2note?

Most likely and hopefully clueless CS rep

most of russians/ukranian/belarusian on party are bots
not most of party players

They already have HM along with far more sophisticated tools. I know everyone thinks they are inept but they more sophisticated than you may realize.

There is an option to change screen name in the Bwin client settings. On the general tab if I recall correctly.

HM is not illegal software. Is this someone that had there account closed? Likely, they were caught importing non-anon hands into HM and that is why security closed account but CS doesn't explain that properly.

took them months to ban a bunch of bots that had limping bugs

took them months to ban a bot that started to min raise/call any cards one day

so no they arent competent at all.

This is just ridiculous.
Highly advanced tool. LOL Please. It took noelte from Poker Planer 2. days I believe to already have working converter. He was so careless that he even put the converter into poker planer the only thing you needed was to check the tool from the guy that creates the most popular software aid for less known networks.

At least have some decency and don't lie. It it the same situation as it was with segregation. Honest people are losing money scammers,bots and cheaters make a ton.

I heard about another 2 converters that still work (tho would need to put more work into it to get my hands on the tool and don't see any reason to pay a bunch of money given I don't play there anymore just to prove the point) but I know people who use them (stables/staking groups FTW I guess). But why would I? They will be back with new iteration of the tool on a new ghost account not to mention you proved already you are unable to detect them anyway.

For years you weren't competent enough to ban all the US grinders that VPN on your network (and a ton of them came back to US and grind from there because no one gonna live abroad to play on FU Pokerstars). Your network and Ipoker are basically go to for US guys. It was known for a long long time. Not to mention they are probably first to use converters because they play on ghosts accounts anyway. This abuse was going on for years and you have done nothing to stop it. I could go on and on with it.


And I forgot to mention that no one now will/can report the bots (well because it means you can review their stats in your HM so you have to have the converter). Overwhelming amount of bots were caught after players reporting them.
Not to mention that the players were the ones to catch the most sophisticated bots that took milions from poker economy.

That you catch some random donk who bought bonus bot and tries it on nl2 doesn't mater. Of course you will claim how succesfull you are catching bots (bonus bots and so on or 2 random fish trying colluding).

You should be ashamed of yourself all there in Party headquarters. For years it was known that party security team aren't the birghtest people in the world so players were more or less policing the games by themselves and reporting the bots.
Now you took it from us. You become the go to network for all the scammers,boters and shaddy guys.

The info provided by the rep is incorrect
This is being addressed by CS management
The tool is not banned we will however not guarantee it works alongside our software
Seating scripts and other predatory tools are banned and players found using them will be banned and risk losing funds



Go to Options in the lobby
Screen Name edit - this will direct you to the account pages and allow you to change your current screen name once

Thanks

Colette

About US guys playing on party, it's really hilarious that a head coach on cardrunners.com makes midstakes videos ON partypoker.com while being in the US

Why would anyone care if US players do vpn?

I guess we got fellow US grinders already scared,didn't we??

Anyway It is more just to prove the point. They aren't capable to police thing relatively easy to police (vpning) and it is against their T&C .They weren't able to catch bots and the illegal hand converter etc if I didn't post about it. Basically they consitently make changes they are incapable to police (e.g. now bots can run wild and illegal huds give you HUGE advantage at least at small stakes+) yet they keep ignoring players feedback and keep the changes making bogus claims (e.g. about the converter I posted in this thread they make claims that it was extremly sophisticated etc and they weren't able to catch people using it which is obviously not true).

They stubbornly refuse to revert changes that make everyone but cheaters worse off. I mean in principle I am in for no aids no huds enviroment but you would need to hire some competent people to your time and fire everyone who is in Party Poker security team because for years they have been consitently proving they are completely clueless and incompetent.

I mean LOL Party people have been VPNing your site from US for 5 years + with no consequences yet you take from us the ablitlity to catch bots and make us vulnerable against illegal converters that give cheaters huge advantage. Yet you keep claiming that everything is ok and your Team Crazy Monkey (that you reffer to as your security team) is somehow suddenly capable to catch at least majority of the offenders (if not almost all of them)


I mean who they are trying to kid?? Do they even believe themself in this silly bull**** they told Collete to post??

wtf party some tables i cant raise preflop and some button are reverse like i have to click raise to call

This happened to me yesterday. When I clicked the bet button the software checked. I couldn't bet or raise when I flopped a flush

Hey Colette, what is the rake in this new fast five games? Same as normal cash games? If so, games will be unbeatable, please consider lower it to half or so. Or maybe do a promotion of rake free for a week or something?

Yes, the rake is the same 5% and these games will be unbeatable (except by bumhunters ) unless the rake is lowered.

Can you PM myself the table IDs/date/time etc and your username and I will look into this
Also - please ensure you have the latest update fully installed - possibly an idea to remove the software in full and do a clean installation


Yes the rake is standard - this is how the games are configured and will remain for now I will share feedback with the team

You should really reverse back to your old system, where hand histories were publicly available for everyone. The idea of "leveling the playing field" is absurd, when in reality it provides illicit players, who are willing to spend 100€/month (or how much do they charge?) on a black-market hand history converter, an unfair edge.

At least before the changes were made, everybody had an equal opportunity of spending $99 on a lifetime license of HEM2/PT4 if they wanted. What is even worse that catching botters/colluders is practically impossible for the players without appropriate hand histories. Few weeks ago, I started noticing some suspicious activity on PLO tables, but since I didn't have hand histories I had to start writing everything down in Notepad, which is a huge nuisance to gather sample.

I don't know why are willing to help out malicious players, while the ones playing by the book get shafted?

FWIW, I wouldn't mind removing of HUDs, but generally I don't think regulations that you cannot enforce is a good idea, because there will always be people to bend the rules. And besides, benefits of HUD come into play when playing against other regulars who you have played a tonne before. It's not like I'm able to pick apart some recreational player by having a 50 hand sample of him in my HUD from few months before. I mainly rely on player notes versus recreational players, where I write down their specific tendencies. Why not remove Player Notes from the software if you want to protect recreational palyers? Historically, hand histories have been player community's best tool against cheaters and colluders. Without them a lot of colluders would be still roaming free.

PS. I see some people have an opportunity to change their screen name in the software. When I go there and try to click Edit, the field stays gray and changing SN is not possible.

EDIT: Or remove ability to get handhistories altogether, and maybe allow them to be downloaded after 24hrs with full player details. However this probably doesn't help with blackmarket HUD issue, if people can use screenscrapping software to identify players on tables.