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Kahn

I deposited a check through the ATM at the bank that rhymes with Ace on 4/28. Today I saw that the deposit was reversed with a reason of "refer to maker." Is this a standard bounced check, or should I be worried that my account might get closed. I am little worried to deposit my paycheck from my regular job because I don't want those funds to get tied up.

Wow... how are they allowed to still do business?

Try depositing these type of checks in person. Also, you can open a new bank account somewhere else if you're worried.

Refer to maker is not a standard bounced check, which is a NSF.

Google refer to maker, generally it means that the check is thought to be fraudulent, but sometimes it gets thrown on as a catch-all.

When, Ace bank closed my account, the check was not reversed at all. It showed as available funds, I went into the branch to withdraw the funds, the teller did everything she usually does, and then right at the end it stopped her and she told me I had to speak to a manager.

When I got home, I could not transfer money out of the account, pay my mortgage (also with Ace) with it, or use my debit card. A few days later the account was zeroed out and then I received a letter. No indication that the check was actually refer to maker. In fact, sportsbook tells me that the check cleared.

Don't leave us with a cliffhanger. Were you mad? What happened?

^^ Exactly. What happened to the poker money? Money you won. The bank can't just keep it and "zero out" your account.

Did u ever file a complaint with OSGA?

Yea it would be a good idea to open another separate account @ another bank for your regular paychecks and bill pay.. Most likely the check from the drawn account has been flagged in their system due to players depositing to that same bank ...You figure if 1 person deposited a check from that processor and it came back 'NSF' imagine if 20-50 people deposited a check to that same bank from that same account that had the 'NSF' then the automated system wouldn't wait to see if it clears

I covered that part earlier in the thread. A few pages ago.

Ace Bank loss prevention department has told me that they will not release the funds until I can get them in contact with the maker of the check. Sportsbook tells me they refuse to talk to third parties. These checks have a 1-800 number on them, but no one ever answers the phone and they do not return phone calls.

I'm led to believe from a friend who is a VP at another smaller bank that it is probably a AML investigation. And that possibly after 6 months if they don't discover anything they might release the funds. If that doesn't happen, at that point I will file a complaint with the treasury department.

Requested 4/17
Status as of 5/1: Still Pending...

acesover8s

How many checks did you deposit at ace?

How can they zero out your account? Aren't some laws being broken?

once you get the treasury department involved the feds are gonna pressure you into becoming an informant to help take down merge

It should be clear now, 3 years since black Friday, that the U.S. govt' has no interest in taking down Merge, Bovada, or Winning. Those are small fish who seem to be doing everything possible to stay small fish. Perhaps the govt' even knows that those networks will die almost overnight once regulated poker reaches enough states with compacts. Should PokerStars be allowed back in, they will die within hours (only slightly exaggerating). Bottom line: the U.S. govt' isn't going after any more poker sites.

Got a call from the bank last weekend and they left a message telling me the check has cleared. The teller apologized multiple times for the inconvenience and said that the problem was with the sender of the check, the name was changed and it caused delays. They tried to get in touch with the sender of the check but couldn't. Eventually the bank in Canada called and confirmed it was good. What a relief, guess I'll be playing in the COPS now. Thanks for the suggestions guys. Took a little over a month to get my check sent and cleared, not great, but not horrible. The fraudulent thing was scary though.

Why so many stories of checks being fraudulent though?

The average bank teller doesn't know their head from their ass. None of the checks are fraudulent.


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Kahn

just to balance out all the deposit probs listed recently i'd like to add I've always made deposits with debit card without issue... I've heard even a prepaid visa may work? although cannot confirm(kahn prob knows)... I would also like to add the checks have always cleared for me with one mainstream bank and one credit union, the credit union i even take a gamble and edeposit it with my phone and never have to relinquish the physical check or deal with a teller and it has worked every time(this is a risk and gamble and cannot advise it as you usually must write in pen "for e-deposit only" on check and thefor may not be depositable if it fails)

second reason im here and sry if i missed this in last few threads but, kahn does merge have any plans to ever bring vip back or is this just a final FU to regs to try to get more to leave?

I don't work for Merge, I couldn't say with any certainty, but I think it's pretty clear that on the first day of implementation of a new program, that they have no plans of bringing VIP back.

I don't think this is a "FU to regs to gry to get more to leave" also. I think it's a way to improve the ecology, improve margins, and most importantly insure that the new player desegregation that has lead to damn near Bovada soft games that we all enjoy so much continues to stay in effect.


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Kahn

Probably over a hundred over many years, from every site around.

I thought so too, but from what I've learned banks are pretty much an arm of the justice department now and if they've decided your account is fraudulent there's not much you can do about it.

Someone certainly seems to think so. I've had two checks returned at my credit union now, since my Ace bank fiasco. Both marked Refer to Maker, when I spoke to loss prevention at the credit union, they told me (and google will confirm) that RTM USUALLY means they think these checks are fraudulent.

When I asked who stamped them this way, I was told it was not the credit union, but the bank that these checks are drawn on, the NY branch specifically.

It seems pretty absurd to wait a month to get a check from merge when u can play on bovada and get one in two days(usa).

Although this is the case sometimes, my last cash out request came on 4/1 and the money was cleared in my account by 4/15. (Carbon)

I will never understand this sentiment, you know some people don't make the choice to play one or the other, they play both! And other sites as well, all at the *gasp* SAME TIME, ohhhh the humanity!

If you're in the US playing 1 site in 2014 you're doing it wrong.