Your charts don't show anything. There are probably some bots on every site, but you ain't no bot buster.

If you can't see the statistic displayed that only bots have, then you sir are not a professional and your opinion on the matter is simply worthless misinformation.

I just glanched over your history

100% of your post are negative banging on how someone can't beat this, or do this + a lot of misinformation.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21.../#post46709191

you have a fight thread
you have this amazing quote:
When a lot of big sng pros are destroying them with their journals updated daily.

conclusion: you are a bored shill that does not win at poker looking for an excuse to negate anything you can.

Your predictable post responses suggest that you are a bot.

MX, it seems like most arguments in IP over the last couple of weeks involve you. I'm not putting it all on you, as it obviously takes two (or more) to argue, but you seem to have a pretty confrontational style that is going to lead to this kind of thing.

Before seeing this post i decided to simply report every shill/misinformer instead of answering them directly so you wont be seeing anymore of these.

As far as this time, you do see i posted the common postflop stats that all the banneds bots have? Having 2 guys directly negate this post with 0 knowledge on the subject is extremely tilting and if you are alright with deleting these kinds of posts if reported in the future, it would definitely help me control myself better.

edit: the answers from those people were not opinions. They were conveyed as facts. False facts

So every poster in IP has to know bot stats by default or they are not worth it to reply in your eyes? Yeah' I can't see how this would ever lead to arguing at all.

As far as that link goes, you failed to point out that all of the posters in that thread supported me. The rep created that thread only because he knew that we had a good enough relationship that I would see the humor in it, which I did. Around that same time the CEO of WPN mentioned in a twitch stream that I was a big supporter of the network, which I am.

As far as the quote goes, I was criticizing Kahn for his over the top appraisal of the beatability of Jackpot games. I've made it very clear that I don't think that those games are what is best for the network.

Your claim that 100% of my posts are "negative banging on how someone can't beat this, or do this + a lot of misinformation" is as absurd as many of your other posts.

What I see is that you came into a Merge thread that is typically about general network discussion, posted stats about a player without any context, and declared said player to be a bot.

If you're looking to have an "educated" discussion about bots and don't consider most in this thread worthy of such a discussion, you should probably post it elsewhere - an existing thread about the subject, or perhaps start a new thread about it (but it would need to have more content than that post to be worthy of a new thread). If you do want to have a discussion with those in this thread, then it would make sense to give a little more information than simply some stats, rather than posting so little info and then declaring others' opinions to be worthless.

And don't even get me started on the misuse of the term "shill", which unfortunately has become all too common on this site.

Im all for replies with question marks. Im not all for replies that state that all bots have low winrates, all bots play massive volume or that bots dont exist.

Those are affirmed as facts, backed by nothing. Not a question, not a discussion. He's simply stating false facts.

Again completely false, no question just affirmations. A negation to what i posted without any proof or knowledge on the subject. There's a lot of information on ipoker bot rings and partypoker as well on this very sub-forum. Plus now there's the massive one about stars on the front page of pokernews: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2015/0...tion-21860.htm

Again stated as if it was a fact. He's not discussing. Hes affirming that this possible bot is a person because of one random action he deems human like.


the only way the person i posted isnt a bot is if PTR has the wrong stats stamped on the page. I just re-read it and i mistyped. Forgot to put "possible" so i take a bit of blame on this.
either way he has very botlike postflop stats and with no moving up or down a single limit and such a winrate, theres little chances of him being human.

For those of you that are blind, most of his volume has been played these last few months. Only a small % of them were played in 2014.

i can't take you seriously and don't care to have a discussion with you as it's obvious nothing anyone says will change your opinion

And yet bovada and winning poker are able to get payments out lickety split AND, both have sports betting and don't poffer up lame excuses like payouts slow because of sports betting.

Let me start by saying that bots are a very real thing but nowhere close to being as big of a concern as they used to be. I will also be one of the few guys to commend you for looking at this as closely as you do. It means you are on top of your game and thats usually a sign of someone who is either already good or will improve

That being said, I would say this:
Throughout my online career I have run into what I thought were BOTS and also what I believe to possibly be house players. FWIW there is one on MERGE that I am almost certain is but I WOULD NEVER post that in a forum unless there was 100% evidence to back it. Certainly report it to the site and play with caution but unless your certain dont post it. Nothing worse than potentially discrediting an honest player.

I will tell you that greater than 90% of the people that are accused of being bots are not bots....and if there is a big enough sampling size behind their stats I would tell you it's not luck and there is likely something to be learned from their play.

Can someone post a link to live chat?

100% wrong

some people coming off really ignorant since MX made his first bot-related post.

the recently discovered bot ring on Stars took $4,000,000 out of MSPLO games. the MS NLHE bots on Party had graphs that went straight up. in both instances they were slaughtering the games for upwards up 8bb/100. botting has nothing to do with breaking even and collecting rakeback anymore.

Probably not:

The reason why bots are doing so well is because of people as the ones above.

Misinformation spreads as facts.

A regular with 71% cbet & 40 flop fold to cbet /low 30 high 20's turn fold to cbet is the best(simplest) way to find a bot nowdays. You start with unexploitable tendencies postflop. Never folding the turn is the common trait. In the last 2 years i have had less than 10 regulars with 20-35% fold to turn bet in every situation that were not bots. Usualy they were losing/breakeven regs. Not 10bb/100 winners at 50nl+.

But i could be wrong on the guy obviously, PTR seems terrible on merge for stats. One of my friend has 20k hands on him and it still shows 0% 4bet. Yet.. 240k hand at nl50 with no change in limits? 240k hands at nl50 with a 10bb winrate? Lately he's been doing a lot of volume even though the games run less, never adding one nl25 or 1 nl100 table? He's also not played a single tourney/freeroll in almost a year on merge while being a micro staker?

There's a massive chance hes a bot.

I think posting someone's PTR stats in detail in a public forum is very rude. I have personally played that player quite a lot and I have some very interesting notes on him. Extremely unlikely that he is a bot. God this thread is a dumpster fire lately.

definitely don't give any insight as to why you think hes not a bot.

We'll just take your word for it?

f***k is live chat really gone? I'm not seeing the button, that would be a very bad sign....

Livechat works on most other skins but yeah its gone on carbon.

Btw those complaining about cashouts being long. I have 2 friends who cashed out in 2 to 3 days through skrill.

Just ordered a new one this morning myself, should be there tomorow or the day after.

Sucks that some skins dont pay as fast but this proves that the network itself is fine.

This doesn't really prove anything and even on Skrill, an ewallet which is not available to the U.S. and Canada, there have been severe delays with regards to payments lately. Are you trying to spread possible misinformation now?

Which skin is that?

im sorry last few pages look like none stop dumpster fire about someone being a bot or not is anyone getting pay outs anymore? when was the last confirmed payout here and how long did it take?