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03-01-2020 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CheckCheckFold
New GGPoker update with forced peeling of river card when all in is beyond stupid. If Im in the hand im forced to click on a giant hidden card to see the damn river. If im not in the hand i cant even see the ****ing river card. W. T. F.
THIS. Is. F'n. ******ed.

Slows it down, wasted computer resources, and just so gimmicky. Whoever thought of this idea should be moved to the janitorial staff. Where crap belongs.
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03-02-2020 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by OWLS
I played about 5 days of r&c at 10NL with the rake race promos to see how the rake was, and wow. Since the rake is 6.25% and with such a huge cap, that it's basically uncapped, I expected it to be bad but this seems extreme.



Have like 50k hands played, not a huge difference between aiev and $ won shown on pokercraft (like 570 vs 520). So rake free I should be up 520, but in reality I am down somewhere like $350. But wait there's more, I also cleared 110 in deposit bonus and hit a 80$ spin (a 20% one).



I get it that there's a lot of promos, but how the f can the rake be this high. And on top of that I won a lot more than average from splashed pots. Or maybe it's because I played a very high vpip game, and every pot with a 3b is raked, or even if you limp sb and bb check folds you win 9cents instead of 10, that's 10% rounded up and skimmed from the pot :O



Still, 1060 rake in 50k hands, at 10 nl seems outrageous? How can the supposed fish on this site survive in this environment when even 10 r&C is filled with reg nits playing, on top of getting fleeced by rake.



This seems like its 21bb/100 wtf. And that's with a lotttt of splashed pots won compared to avrg. I did play like 500-1000bb deep a lot of the time too, so I assume that had something to do with it as well. Not sure if it's smart to let stacks get too deep.
yeh the rake is insane also at PLO at 3% uncapped! I play 1/2 there in the past couple of weeks and have payed over 4k in rake. So sick.
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03-02-2020 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CheckCheckFold
yeh the rake is insane also at PLO at 3% uncapped! I play 1/2 there in the past couple of weeks and have payed over 4k in rake. So sick.
But won a bunch? hehe
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03-02-2020 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by OWLS
I played about 5 days of r&c at 10NL with the rake race promos to see how the rake was, and wow. Since the rake is 6.25% and with such a huge cap, that it's basically uncapped, I expected it to be bad but this seems extreme.

Have like 50k hands played, not a huge difference between aiev and $ won shown on pokercraft (like 570 vs 520). So rake free I should be up 520, but in reality I am down somewhere like $350. But wait there's more, I also cleared 110 in deposit bonus and hit a 80$ spin (a 20% one).

I get it that there's a lot of promos, but how the f can the rake be this high. And on top of that I won a lot more than average from splashed pots. Or maybe it's because I played a very high vpip game, and every pot with a 3b is raked, or even if you limp sb and bb check folds you win 9cents instead of 10, that's 10% rounded up and skimmed from the pot :O

Still, 1060 rake in 50k hands, at 10 nl seems outrageous? How can the supposed fish on this site survive in this environment when even 10 r&C is filled with reg nits playing, on top of getting fleeced by rake.

This seems like its 21bb/100 wtf. And that's with a lotttt of splashed pots won compared to avrg. I did play like 500-1000bb deep a lot of the time too, so I assume that had something to do with it as well. Not sure if it's smart to let stacks get too deep.
Dont know how this will factor in, but the big splashed pot goes straight into your balance (>20bbs)
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03-02-2020 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by vicyafos
But won a bunch? hehe
Unfortunately net down 6k.
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03-02-2020 , 04:56 AM
Is there any way to download tournament histories in bulk? It looks like in Pokercraft, I have to select one poker tournament at a time, download that and then unzip it, and repeat for each tournament, which makes zero sense.
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03-02-2020 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CheckCheckFold
Unfortunately net down 6k.
damn man, hope you run better
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03-02-2020 , 03:50 PM
If someone wins a seat in a satellite and then they re-enter another for the same game and win that one, too....what happens? Like the GG Masters, if you play them all week, do you win tourney bucks, cash, or ticket to the game only?
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03-02-2020 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CheckCheckFold
yeh the rake is insane also at PLO at 3% uncapped! I play 1/2 there in the past couple of weeks and have payed over 4k in rake. So sick.
Yeah, I've mostly played some PLO 100 and 50 r&c before earlier this month. I've been done with poker for a while (and never played anything other than hu sngs and hu cash games) but wanted to check out these crazy promos that they've been running, so I made a deposit just to test it out since I had free time this month. Made a post earlier in this thread about how much rake I payed there overall, but it was under 10k hands on each.

This time, I thought that the rake race would be easy at these stakes and that I could probably win it because the number of raked hands seemed much lower than the ones at 50NL, 200NL, but nope. There were some people playing 18hrs+ a day lol. Was not worth it to finish it in the end but whatever. Probably got like 80-90% rakeback overall, all things considered, but you have to realize that things like this won't last and are just transient (i.e. the promos). I gave the example of ongame promos earlier, which this is what seems like to me. That was network was eventually run to the ground by the amaya group too

Still to pay ~$1060 rake at 10 NL over 5 days is just insane lolz. The poker model prior to Amaya and all the sites lowering rakeback was like one of the big 4 leagues, with roughly 50-50 revenue split between the reg players and sites, nowadays it feels like it's like the UFC, with 85-15% and a take it or leave it type of attitude.

GL to all you poor souls still trying to grind it out online these days
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03-02-2020 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by vicyafos
Dont know how this will factor in, but the big splashed pot goes straight into your balance (>20bbs)
I never had one of those in my sample so far (~50k hands) so was not even taking those into account (isn't it only one every 100k hands on average tho?).

and I was down net over $300, and like I said, that's with a 80$ spin, 110$ in bonus cleared (and forgot to mention another 25$ in deposit bonuses from the lucky 29 promo, so closer to $1100 in rake).

Of course I got a lot of "rakeback" too, but my point is that how is this sustainable for the fish, who don't use affiliates, likely don't really play volume for any promo type rewards, get raked at 6.25% of every pot, and have most of the people in the player pool being reg nits (at 10 NL!).

And now they introduced the spins of which 50% are worse than the pokerstars flash (10bb deep), and only 25% of them (i.e. 5x or higher) are played at 500 bb deep.

Pretty much the definition of rake trap.
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03-02-2020 , 08:56 PM
Hi

I play with high volume midstakes nl100-nl200. Has anyone made calculations about the rake at GGnetwork?

I mean you have the fish buffet, you can hit a jackpot hand but you pay shitloads amount of rake to the room.

Wondering if the rake is beatable and if the info about the promised cashback is right (fishbuffet) and if the numbers add up

cheers and GL
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03-03-2020 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
If someone wins a seat in a satellite and then they re-enter another for the same game and win that one, too....what happens? Like the GG Masters, if you play them all week, do you win tourney bucks, cash, or ticket to the game only?
T-dollars
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03-03-2020 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by vicyafos
T-dollars
TYVM
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03-03-2020 , 10:25 AM
can i use table stacking programs on ggpoker?
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03-03-2020 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FunTomas
can i use table stacking programs on ggpoker?
Yes and no, depending on what Terms and Agreements you have read.
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03-04-2020 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FunTomas
can i use table stacking programs on ggpoker?
No external assistance programmes are allowed on Natural8/GGPoker

https://natural8.com/user-agreement
https://natural8.com/tnc
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03-04-2020 , 04:00 AM
Anyone knows how to disable river card peel on AI pots? ****'s annoying as ****.
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03-04-2020 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by vicyafos
No external assistance programmes are allowed on Natural8/GGPoker

https://natural8.com/user-agreement
https://natural8.com/tnc
So what is the punishment for using such ? Because I've seen prominent streamers both on GG and Natural8 use hotkeys. Also don't tell me most of the R&C robots don't use hotkeys when playing 16 hours a day.
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03-04-2020 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SicilianTaimanov
Anyone knows how to disable river card peel on AI pots? ****'s annoying as ****.
Seriously, how can one site come up with such useless, annoying stuff and implement it without consulting someone who actually plays these games. It's not enough you have to click 2 times to make sure you don't want insurance, while slowing the hand down by 1 minute if you don't click on it, that's not enough, now you have to compulsorily peel rivercards, wtf.
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03-04-2020 , 09:13 AM
All some 3D poker, and peeling cards for river...
They don't belong to the poker.

Maybe lets slots players using this

I am just curious how stupid can be software programmers" Let's make river card peeling!"
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03-04-2020 , 09:31 AM
They are pretty smart bc i can guarantee you the players who are VIP for GG will ****ing love features like insurance or the card peel.

The smart regs probably understand that while the stupid ones rather have the chinese and israeli reCs grind somewhere else[GGPoker]: Natural8, etc[GGPoker]: Natural8, etc[GGPoker]: Natural8, etc

This industry never ceases to amaze...
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03-04-2020 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
They are pretty smart bc i can guarantee you the players who are VIP for GG will ****ing love features like insurance or the card peel.
Yes, VIP players must absolutely love waiting the full minute with their 5% for the river to come while someone times down their insurance because table didn't jump into foreground, that's some smart design.
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03-04-2020 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
They are pretty smart bc i can guarantee you the players who are VIP for GG will ****ing love features like insurance or the card peel.

The smart regs probably understand that while the stupid ones rather have the chinese and israeli reCs grind somewhere else[GGPoker]: Natural8, etc[GGPoker]: Natural8, etc[GGPoker]: Natural8, etc

This industry never ceases to amaze...
Not denying fun players love that, my degen friends love the thrill of peeling cards and ****.

I just want an option to turn it off.
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03-04-2020 , 10:19 AM
Rome wasnt built in a day!
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03-04-2020 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rollkopter
Hi

I play with high volume midstakes nl100-nl200. Has anyone made calculations about the rake at GGnetwork?

I mean you have the fish buffet, you can hit a jackpot hand but you pay shitloads amount of rake to the room.

Wondering if the rake is beatable and if the info about the promised cashback is right (fishbuffet) and if the numbers add up

cheers and GL
I have a feeling itd much closer to capped sites , much closer then ppl think bcs most pots are smaller and dont hit cap. With the rakeback and promos my fees paid about 6bb/100 ... unless my calc is way off. Also depends on how lucky i got on big hand jackpot... my calc over 30k hands ive yet see anyone post their own findings.
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