he used a seat script in combination with datamined or his own hands most likely, seat scripts arnt that common from what ive seen on gg since i think they do not allow it unlike stars(could be wrong here) rake is super high so its def not the new wave of poker.

He is doing something and it’s scary. Some tables I’m not even selecting the buy in amount yet, I just fiddle around with the add a table to ensure I sit alone and he joins right away 9/10 times. I agree not that common which made this pos stick out even more. There are others from the same or similar countries that magically find it my way after about a minute, or you’ll see the same play observing every table for ten minutes never sitting and then the same groups of players sworm in at the same time but this idiot was unique, he was instant and always. Shame GG allowed this to continue. I doubt I’ll see any compensation or lost funds

Yes I do because I sent overwhelming evidence and it spanned almost a week. This type of seating abuse should be detected right away and be very easy to detect. I mean his program was seating him at my table before I picked my buy in ffs. I lost several buy ins setting him up documenting it but reported him several days before. I already have a full time job, losing money to set up an account to break the rules is not on my bucket list. The games are not very busy, it should be easy to spot this type of behaviour but what do I know. Anyhow let’s see what happens. He’s probably on to the next account using his brain a little more

You are expecting some kind of intergity from this network? And not even though they hired Daniel "more rake is better" Neg, but because they hired him?
Not sure if a troll or not

It's not just that, but also the fact that CC's charge large fees and don't cover losses when there are chargebacks. With gambling sites this is especially problematic because someone can deposit, gamble it up, if they win they can withdraw, and if they lose they can claim it wasn't them.

That always means the OP is actually right.

No, you clearly dont know what youre talking about.

Couldnt find it online, what happens if you win multiple tickets for the same goal tournament (refund in T$ or such)?

Can I play on any of these sites as a US Citizen who is traveling abroad?

Anyone get some failed to patch or Launcher.exe error when trying to open client??????

Its possible https://natural8.com/user-agreement

I believe its T$

Is there a way to take out the "open" button to view your hand so that you see it right away without needing to click? And is there an option to automuck everytime? Can't find any option for these in the settings.

in settings under squeeze tab,
hands are auto mucked unless you click show

Thanks, actually managed to find it right after posting lol.


So I was skimming this thread and it seems that nobody has a clear idea of how much rake is actually paid, and what the rb actually is.

I wonder if you signed up through an affiliate whether that PVI they use is automatically dropped to “reg” levels regardless whether you win or lose.

Are the numbers (rake generated) that show up in your deposit bonus history accurate in terms of rake paid, or are they also underrepresented?

And, is rake from rush & cash games contributing to the fish buffet spins, and your deposit bonus, or is it excluded because you get the cashback drops there? If it’s not excluded, wouldn’t that make the rake from these games significantly less than regular tables?

The rake is stated on the website , 3% for plo and 5% for nl
The rakeback depends on the PVI thingy
if you send them email they will send you a month statement with how much rake you paid.

I've signed up through an affiliate and didn't get any rakeback due to PVI.

Rush table rake does not count towards clearing your deposit bonus.

I was accumulating some spin points on rush tables but the rake on rush tables was higher than reg tables.

The rake on my ~10K hand sample on rush was ~12BB/100. However, portion of my winnings came from splash pots. I'm not sure how much I won in splash pots to reduce my overall rake as PT4 wasn't supporting them and I was to lazy to keep track manually.

What do you mean didn't get any rakeback? All the affiliates I know just offer additional rake races not actual rakeback. Unless you got some secret one.

Do you mean you didn't get any of the rake go towards your rake races, or got shafted on the amount you raked?

Have no if the rush and cash format (and AIoF for that matter) contribute to the races, since they don't count towards the deposit bonus either like you mentioned.

But yeah, if they don't track your rake properly, like omahaB (I think?) posted earlier in the thread in the convo with his affiliate, it's a pretty shitty deal overall.

That is absolutely gross, I guess if you play a bit, doesn't even have to be that much since I think it's only 1.5k $ a month to get to the 50% rakeback level, it's not so bad, and that should technically be reduced to ~6BB/100 with it.

Still it could be that they shaft you over on the numbers due to the PVI thing, then not sure how much of that 50% rb is accurate.

Rake seems insane here though, across all game types. Only seems to be worth playing if those fish buffet numbers are accurate towards the actualy % you get back, but I doubt it due to the stories posted here.

Think it's probably good to just stick to regular tables while you have the deposit bonus going since it adds another 20%. But again, don't know here either if they actually track the rake properly. Too lazy to figure it out.

Not true, I have additional RB+rakerace from affiliate

I said as far as I know. Usually the big affiliate sites don't offer fixed rakeback, however yeah sure, there's smaller guys running deals that can do so by usually paying back ~10%. I even knew guys that did it at stars up to a few years ago when I stopped playing.

The above poster said he didn't get any of the additional rb due to PVI though, did you get any of the promised rb while playing there? If so, did it match the advertised numbers?

If you dont get extra rb via affiliate either ur affiliate or your negotiation ability sucks, likely both

The amount of rake that I got credited for due to PVI.

Had I kept playing I would have gotten some rakeback eventually but it would have been only on a small portion of the rake I paid.

I didn't sign up through one of those bigger affiliates with rake races but PVI effects how points are calculated for those as well, here's a quote from one of the bigger ones:

'The leaderboard is based on GG Network's own, so called net PVI rake'

Sounds like you were able to negotiate yourself an unbelievably awesome deal? What a boss!

Since affiliates are effected by your PVI just as much as you are in terms of what percentage of your rake they get from GG you must have negotiated directly with GG then, right? Or maybe United Nations?

Or did you get your affiliate to cover the percentage of your rake back GG kept via PVI out of their pockets?

If any GGPoker rep is reading this thread:
Could you please add Trustly as a deposit and withdrawal option? It is by far the
most convenient payment method as of today and is also cheaper for the merchant
than the greedy e-wallets like Neteller and Skrill.

How much more are you all getting from the deal?

(gross rake*PVI - all rakeback from room) * 30%
+ all rakeback and promos from room

If you signed up via affiliate this affiliate makes money with you 99% of the time (there could be a scenario once in a bluemoon where you pay more fees than rb is - very unlikely).
In the end your affiliate pockets all the money you make him. Usually affis give part of this back to players.
But you seem to be pretty happy w teh deal you have going so who am i to judge you!