Voted for Anon. screennames.

The 600 lb gorilla in the room and the reason people like anonymous tables are services like Sharkscope who publish what should be peoples personal info on the internet and stupid “pro regulars” who use it to abuse and embarrass them in chat. I see it all the time in the micro stakes. People just don’t feel comfortable with having what they thought was private info being broadcast in the chat window and most new players have no idea on opt in or opt out options.
With anonymous tables Potripper and the UB scandal would never have been brought to light and maybe would still be happening on a bigger scale.
A better option would be to do away with the chat window, which might be a good option for some “members” here on 2+2....

i can't say much about the email since I am using a similar set up and didn't get a warning. I will say all the innocent people that got them is a huge mistake on their part. But overall, there isn't a reason to be nervous right now. I feel like BOL is probably the most legit and player oriented site for US players. I have also NEVER had a negative experience with their support chat and I have talked to them a lot. It is one of their biggest strengths IMO.

Look at the garbage software for the site that claims the title of America's cardroom, not to mention their player pool issues are multitudes worse than BOL. Yes there is more traffic but that is the only thing other sites have going for them. If I had to choose a site that felt like it was going in the right direction and doing the right things I think most people would choose BetOnline or another Chico skin as the best place to play.

That's just my opinion but I do occasionally play tourneys at ACR and it's like a coming back home and being able to relax when I log in to BOL. Also, most BTC cashouts are 1-2 days, maybe try again to see how it's working for you now.

BOL is going for a bigger market share, and they have the time and resources. It's a good time to tell them what you want so you can help build the site.

I requested an automated staking marketplace, I think it would draw in a lot of non-poker players and bring in more money to the pool.

just had a conversation with "Bella", who specifically said HUDs are okay:



Info: You are now chatting with Bella.
- Bella: Hey Brain, this is Bella. How are you?

- Bella: *Brian

- Brian: hello, I am trying to get better clarification as to what is "prohibited 3rd party software"
- Brian: in reference to poker room

- Bella: It is strictly prohibited to make use of any software, artificial intelligence or tools, in conjunction with our poker software, in order to gain an unfair advantage over other players. This includes, but is not limited to, the use of “robots” (also referred to as “bots”) and/or non-software based systems such as subscription services or websites. Any actions taken in our poker room must be executed by the player personally, via our poker software, without the assistance of any other software, artificial intelligence or other tools not pertinently specified above in permitted softwar

- Brian: does hat include something like Holdem Manager or Poker Tracker 4?

- Bella: No those are fine, HUD's and card stacker's are allowed.


- Brian: okay, I appreciate the clarification

That seems like a ridiculously long wait and hasn't been the norm in my experience or what I've read from others. I'm not sure why your experience was different. I would definitely do my best to escalate the situation via email, live chat and/or phone call if a bitcoin withdrawal took more than a few days for me.


It should definitely help some, but I think the best way to increase traffic in this day and age is social media advertising. It's the reason Global Poker got a decent amount of traffic so quickly after launching their poker room. Obviously their sweepstakes loophole allows them to come across as more legitimate to some people.





I'm sure he means the survey.

I have no idea if anonymous games with the same player pool are more profitable than non-anonymous games, but I'd love to see a source for that.

I completely agree that it would make it nearly impossible to help improve that botting situation from the players' side. What makes you think that the botting situation has improved some?


Obviously anybody putting somebody down because of what they get from SharkScope is an idiot. You won't see too much of that coming from good poker players. If I did see it I would instantly call them out. We already have the option to mute players and disable chat. If you don't like what somebody is saying then you don't have to even see it.


Exactly. As much as I like the direction this network is going I still wouldn't trust them, or any site, to detect every cheater on their own. Taking away the players' ability to help police the games is a horrible idea.


Please take this stuff to the proper forum.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...rags-variance/

Wrong forum- in before Mods move
Both hands perfectly normal. 1st hand nobody folds top pair with a flush draw.
2nd hand- oe str8 draw. With a flush draw- nobody’s folding there either.

Yeah, I'm not sure where I should even move them, so I'm just going to delete.

DMH, I'm not sure where you're going with that, but here are some suggestions:

• If you're wanting to vent about some bad beats, follow MCA's link.
• If you're wanting to discuss theories about Chico being rigged with anecdotes and individual hand histories, there's a huge rigged thread in this forum for those.
• If you have substantial evidence of something fishy going on, that might be worthy of a new thread. But that would involve statistical evidence far, far beyond a few individual hand histories.

Also on Ignition nobody is ever deep, if they get up over a buy in they leave and come right back with just a buy in, or continue to short stack with minimum buy ins.

Yea, you can tell from the way they play that it’s the same people buying in with the minimum and taking off as soon as they double up or get a buy in and come back with the minimum.

The software they detected goes by a name they shall not mention.

It's as simple as that.

Might check and see if you have PokerSnowie installed with HM2. That stuff is not allowed and I believe came with HM2 back then.

Did you get the answer?

Still no sort of appropriate response about the prohibited software email we got. How are more people not complaining? Are most of you just ignoring the warning? Clearly many got the email. For what it's worth I requested to pull off most of my funds shortly after receiving the email and I haven't received it. So that is over 72 hours. It's my biggest w/d yet and am slightly concerned when it usually takes under 48 hours. Also, they did not reply to me when I asked for clarification regarding the email (this is over 72 hours as well). I'm definitely on the high end in terms of rake paid among players - this is unacceptable.

*Shrugs*

I've gotten confirmation from 2 different CS reps (Sierra and Bella) that HUDs (Holdem Manager/PT4) are allowed by Chico (see a few posts above for transcript)

There was a large amount of responses in this thread about the software emails over the last few days. Then some people got a clarification email and those who didn't likely saw the ones that were posted in here. It should be pretty clear by now what software they're looking to discourage. If that clarification email didn't quite satisfy you then I think abstaining from playing with any 3rd party software and/or requesting a withdrawal for the time being is completely understandable.

It's March Madness which is one of the biggest times of the year for sports betting. This likely means that they are dealing with an increased number of transactions which may result in longer than expected wait times. If you don't have your payout processed by Monday then you should try your best to escalate the situation via email, live chat and/or phone call to find what the delay is.

https://www.betonline.ag/rules#payout-rules

Hey man, I saw you mentioned depositing on ignition. I'd be careful. Got 4 outered on the river last night for a 400bb pot. Right before that I was killing it. Had my roll up from 20 dollars to over 90. After that pot I lost the rest to 3 outers. These sites are rigged as **** bro. The players are terrible but I can't beat the rigged bad beats. I should be playing highstakes but I can't get out of the micros because of all of the badbeats. I am going to save up for live poker and stay away from the automatic shufflers. Just wanted to say "be careful."
Good luck bro.

Just because you don't post hand histories doesn't mean those kinds of posts belong in here either. Read and follow the directions Bobo posted in his last post to you in this thread any time you think about making another post in the future on whatever new account that you happen to be using at that time.
It's always the same story with you dude. You should stop playing poker for your own benefit and the benefit of everybody else who reads this thread and the rest of this forum. You make account after account and always end up saying every site is rigged and every site is out to get you. It's not rigged. You just don't understand the game as well as you think you do.

You can make money at each and every one of these sites if you get your head out of your ass. It's obviously not as easy as we'd all hope it would be at times, but I can assure you it's possible.

I've stated several times about how two years ago starting at .01/.02, when they offered it, I turned less than $10 on this network into a roll that allows me to regularly play 500NL here without making any additional deposits. I put in the time and effort in to beat every stake without taking any shortcuts or shot-taking my way up. If it was rigged that wouldn't have been possible.

If you insist on continuing with your assertions that the sites are rigged then make the Poker is Rigged thread your permanent home.

On the days when you're not sure if it's rigged, but you want to post your "unique and unbelievable bad beats" to feel better, post in the BBV forum.

Until you have proof that these sites are rigged you have no reason to be posting in the site threads since you can't help but post stuff that doesn't belong in them time and time again.

Your routine is seriously getting old. Knock it off already.


You don't even know how to identify bots because no bot I know of has ever played so tight. If every bot had those stats then the bot issue wouldn't be an issue. Nitty bots are not the type of bots people are referring to when they talk about the bot issue. The fact that you think players playing that tight are an issue shows your fundamental lack of understanding about how poker works.

All rigged post like yours have lacked any substantial proof of rigging at any major network. We have millions of hands of data and nobody can prove it's rigged? I wonder why...Oh yeah, it's because they're not rigged.

Not only do I not believe you, I don't care and nobody else does. If you can't prove it with statistical evidence then it's useless to read into it being anything other than bad beats.

I lost 8 buy-ins in one session last week and I still don't think it's rigged. I've had countless bad beats and I'm still a winning player. They happen to everyone. They obviously happen more often than you seem to think is correct, but it's part of the game.

WPN seems like a shady network even to me, but I don't think their RNG is rigged. Nobody has ever been able to provide proof that their RNG is rigged with millions of hands of data available. You seem to be confusing shady, cheating players and bots with rigged games.

Once again...nobody cares about your bad beat stories.

LOL. You would be completely wrong. There are definitely others. I don't care if you believe it or not. I have zero reason to lie. You could ask any of the regs who play here if they've seen me make my way up the stakes. Makati has probably seen me play the most. I'd need to bust out the old Holdem Indicator files on my previous computer to show you proof that I beat 2NL and 10NL.

It didn't even take half a million hands to get to 500NL. I didn't grind here every day and I rarely play more than 4 tables. Often times I play less tables than that. I'm not sure how many sessions I put in over 10 hours, but it wasn't very many. I only play when I'm in the mood and cut sessions short if I'm not feeling it.

I've recently crossed over half a million hands played on this network at this point. Obviously the total amount of time has probably added up to something significant by now, but I never let poker become a tedious grind for myself.

I remember losing 4 buy-ins in a session at 10NL and took it in stride. I've moved up and down stakes several times. I lost 8 buy-ins in a session recently and only played 200NL or lower for the next few sessions. It's part of good BRM.

I enjoy playing here more than my other options. Don't read too much into it.

Nobody cares.

Am I under oath too? I'll state for the record I have no professional or affiliate based relationship with this network or any of the sites therein. LOL

I probably have more posts in this thread that have been critical of this network's handling of the bot situation than the amount of posts the person with the next highest total posts in this thread has made. I've also been very critical of their handling of the BBJ payout shares. I guess I'm just a terrible employee that they refuse to replace.

They pay me money when I win at poker or the occasional sports bet. That is all bro.

I'm offended that you assume I was lucky and gifted instead of the fact that I put in the time and effort.

I play on this network because I like their software and their rules more than my other options. It's not even top 2 with regards to sites I have access to in terms of softness of the player pool. If Bovada/Ignition/Bodog adopted this software(non-anonymous obviously) and the rules here then I'd play at that hypothetical site more than here. I play where I enjoy to play.

Poker is just harder these days for a ton of different reasons, none of which is because the games are rigged. Stuff like increased knowledge of proper strategy to a larger amount of people means there are less complete donkeys in the games. When players have small edges or no edges over their opponents then the variance will increase.

There are people who have no idea these grey market sites exist and wouldn't even seek them out even if they did. There are plenty of people who are skeptical of playing on unregulated sites, unlike the sites they thought were legitimate back in the day. They thought those sites were legal and assume these ones are illegal. There are also people who see posts like yours and think these sites are sketchy. People also have more entertainment options than they used to. All of this amounts to less recreational players in the games which in turn makes the games seem significantly harder than they were prior to Black Friday.

The fact of the matter is you're just not as good as you believe you are and not winning as much as you think you should be. 99% of poker players suffer from those same beliefs. Some of them, like you, would rather post about how it's rigged rather than working on improving their game.


You wouldn't even have enough hand data to prove anything so I wouldn't have ever legitimately asked you to provide hard numbers.

Take it to BBV or a strategy forum. This isn't the place for it.

You were just claiming that Global was rigged last week with one of your other accounts. Every week it's a new site that is rigged against you.

I'm not mad at you and I don't think your my enemy. I'm just constantly disappointed and annoyed by your posting habits.

So I decided to give it another go. Deposited 31 dollars on bol had it up to 65 dollars and then lost aces to kings all in preflop. King on river. Another rigging. I get it in good every time and always get ****ed. At this point im convinced that the only people that actually win at online poker are bots and house players. And this guy is right, no amount of studying is going to beat the beats on these ridiculously rigged sites. People will stop playing unless these sites change their rng and algorythms. Poker should be fun, not bad beats and 2 outers. You can find me in the live games minus auto shufflers.

You can tell yourself whatever makes you feels good, but if you wanna improve you will have to face that you just sucks and the games arent rigged for anyone. Who would it be rigged for anyway? Some random house players ?

You think they'd jeopardize the whole empire making mallions to make a few bucks on your ass on nl25 ? lol get real.

Btw some people are making 6 figures playing poker and not playing for 'house' or non sense like that, they just way better

You keep stating that this as the reason you're losing and I don't buy it. I do not buy the fact that you've lost as a significant favorite over a significant amount of hands at an unrealistic frequency. Load your database of hands into a tracker that does Run Reports like HM2. Then show that data to a strategy forum and see what they tell you. Don't post it in here or any other site/network thread.

Frankly, I'm done trying to combat your ignorance. From now on I will just report every post that you make outside of the proper forum. I've extended too much of my time and patience trying to enlighten you and hoping that you would make some changes to your mindset.

MCAChiTown so much respect to you for just answering such questions in this thread over and over again with composure and making comprehensive replies. Nobody else would.

received this email today... that's 3; different people saying they were going after bots, AI, and seating scripts, but not HUDs..:

"Good day Brian,

Thank you for contacting us. I hope this email finds you well.

I would like to confirm that Hold'em Manager/PT4 is allowed software. Any HUD software is allowed as long as you do not make use of any BOT, AI, GTO or Seating Script software on your account then it will be fine.

I hope you found this information useful"

Its impressive. He is almost..robotic..in his responses too.

It would be great if the online poker is rigged guys would leave now