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11-10-2017 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Full Ring Nit
Lots of talk about bots at 25 and 50nl. Games are still super beatable. Ive played on Tiger all year and done pretty well in these games despite them being "bot infested". Would love to hear which players you guys think are bots.
I'd be more than willing to share my list with you. PM me your nickname on the network and I'll send it to you.

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 11-10-2017 at 09:06 PM.
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11-10-2017 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by p0ker_n00b
I told Chi Town that I would do a stat comparison analysis of suspected bots - seriously suck at getting around to doing it but I'm quite convinced there are more bots than there should be,
Lol What is the right amount?

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Originally Posted by p0ker_n00b
after I started looking out for weird things like 4bet sizings, post flop shoves, timing issues, players who sit on broken tables, just alla round weird out of line random ass plays, etc - now some of them could be very weak regs with reg stats, or they could be bots that just do random dumb **** from time from time
Some of them do weird **** from time to time that no solid reg would likely do. I told you why I think this is via pm. I'd rather not talk about their specific quirks and stats publicly.

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Originally Posted by p0ker_n00b
although if suspected bots have similar stats and share other similar qualities, that's a slam dunk proof of botting imo.
While not every stat is 100% the same as that would take a very long time, they are similar and close enough in almost all stats after large hand samples that it becomes too much of a coincidence to ignore when 25+ accounts share such similar statistics and odd tendencies.

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Originally Posted by p0ker_n00b
Names aren't mentioned bc nobody wants to name an actual reg suspected of being a bot , not because we aren't certain of our evidence.
This is the main reason why I don't blast them publicly. I have a large list and it's always possible I could be wrong about a name or two even though I highly doubt it. I wouldn't want to falsely accuse an innocent person publicly as well as link their hand history stats for everyone to see if they've done nothing wrong. I have given my list to many forum members through pm though.
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11-11-2017 , 12:34 AM
I play 400-2k across most us sites, and one thing I see on Chico I've never seen anywhere else is multiple fishy players with stats like ~40-50vip/~1-10pfr/~1ag who are somehow not losing.

Multiple players like that who are breakeven/small winners over thousands of hands. It's odd.
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11-11-2017 , 02:13 AM
I haven't noticed that happening in the lower stakes. That is definitely suspicious and something I would thoroughly examine if I came across it.
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11-11-2017 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Malice's Attorney
I play 400-2k across most us sites, and one thing I see on Chico I've never seen anywhere else is multiple fishy players with stats like ~40-50vip/~1-10pfr/~1ag who are somehow not losing.

Multiple players like that who are breakeven/small winners over thousands of hands. It's odd.
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
I haven't noticed that happening in the lower stakes. That is definitely suspicious and something I would thoroughly examine if I came across it.
Let's not forget BOL uses 3rd party software. Could have flaws or insiders over there.
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11-11-2017 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Malice's Attorney
I play 400-2k across most us sites, and one thing I see on Chico I've never seen anywhere else is multiple fishy players with stats like ~40-50vip/~1-10pfr/~1ag who are somehow not losing.

Multiple players like that who are breakeven/small winners over thousands of hands. It's odd.

Names?
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11-12-2017 , 02:44 AM
Not sure if it's the same with the NLHE bots, but the PLO ones always seem to have weird seating habits. They avoid sitting every table (maybe don't want to draw too much attention) and they'll stay at terrible tables for hours once they've sat even if there are 1-2 other juicy tables with open seats. No other 3-4 tabling regs are ever passing up the opportunity to switch tables n that spot.
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11-12-2017 , 09:19 AM
It is the same at nlhe. While I prefer not to talk about their odd tendencies publicly I can confirm that is one of the easier ways to spot the lazier bot users. Not all of them are that lazy though. I assume some of them check their bot regularly and others just let them run for a certain length of time while they go do something else.
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11-12-2017 , 09:49 PM
Well after messing around at ACR again at freaking NL2 of all things.. down 5 buy ins in 1900 hands. Even at NL2 its reg infested. Even with BOL's problems I think its still better than that.
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11-13-2017 , 08:49 AM
Does this site run any tourney series ever?
The blinds are very shallow for the 50k. At one point I was 4/19 and only had 15bb. Avg stack was about 10bb.
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11-13-2017 , 03:30 PM
Having problems to deposit. I am from the UK and they don´t allow Skrill deposits. Neteller is not shown as an option. What is the best way for me to deposit?
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11-13-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Trooper
Does this site run any tourney series ever?
The blinds are very shallow for the 50k. At one point I was 4/19 and only had 15bb. Avg stack was about 10bb.
Not very often from what I can recall.

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Originally Posted by Becks777
Having problems to deposit. I am from the UK and they don´t allow Skrill deposits. Neteller is not shown as an option. What is the best way for me to deposit?
Bitcoin
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11-13-2017 , 05:31 PM
Any other options other than bitcoin? Anybody from UK that has used ecopayz?
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11-13-2017 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Becks777
Any other options other than bitcoin? Anybody from UK that has used ecopayz?
https://www.betonline.ag/banking
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11-14-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
How can you guys tell if a player is a bot? I guess other than not chatting.
Well, for one, most 25NL regs don't know **** about 4 bet bluffing and opening up 4 bet ranges vs different villains, etc...

The suspected bots mostly all have a ridiculously high 4 bet range compared to the normal reg population...plus other things

Also many of them are seen at the table even after it breaks...

100NL regs maybe have 4 bet ranges of around 4.5-5% ( the super laggy aggro ones) etc - Mine is 3.5% and I consider mine to be above average...although not at all out of line...

No reason in the world for 25NL regs to have greater than 3% 4 bet range...

But the reason mine is 3.5% is more because 50NL and 100NL is my main game, I just had a 30 BI downswing the past 60 days and I'm trying to dig out of it.

The suspected bots all have a higher 3bet % than reg population as well, which is NOT normal at 25NL to have dramatically high 3 bet ranges as a reg population entirety, some specific regs might (like myself), but these bots consistently have higher 3 bet %'s...

But I dont' want to say anything more specific bc I don't want the bot programmers to read these threads and know what their bot sucks at, and what they are good at, etc.

Last edited by p0ker_n00b; 11-14-2017 at 10:00 PM.
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11-14-2017 , 09:43 PM
What is this connection error I'm getting?

Network Error
Http Status Code: 0
System Error Code: 12002
System Error Description:
The operation timed out.


Get this error after trying to open the client?
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11-14-2017 , 10:11 PM
I also only see the bots on 6 max, they don't play full ring tables if I'm not mistaken
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11-15-2017 , 01:25 AM
The list I gave you are 6max bots except for one because that is what I play, but if I played more full ring I'm almost certain I would be able to identify more in those games as well. It takes large hand samples for me to feel confident in who I think is botting and I'm almost certain I know most of them in the 6max games at 25nl and 50nl. 27 of them just in those games at last count.

You won't see the accounts play different formats at the same time. I assume the bot program is only able to run one profile at a time.

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 11-15-2017 at 01:39 AM.
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11-15-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Prohibited Software

It is strictly prohibited to make use of any software, artificial intelligence or tools, in conjunction with our poker software, in order to gain an unfair advantage over other players. This includes, but is not limited to, the use of “robots” (also referred to as “bots”) and/or non-software based systems such as subscription services or websites. Any actions taken in our poker room must be executed by the player personally, via our poker software, without the assistance of any other software, artificial intelligence or other tools not pertinently specified above in permitted software.

You agree that the poker room can take any steps necessary in order to detect and/or prevent the use of software, artificial intelligence or other tools. We reserve the right to close any account/s and/or confiscate funds from accounts found to use any software, artificial intelligence or any other tools, as stated.
They chose to put this in their Poker Rules Section. If I provide them with evidence and exact account names you would think they might do something about the situation, but every day I discover a new bot account while the old ones remain.

They are selective about the rules they enforce. They also make up rules that aren't published such as banning winning players at high stakes because they say they cater to the recreational player, but allow cheaters to use automated decision making software to fleece larger segments of recreational players at lower stakes out of money. They don't cater to recreational players. They cater to bot users.
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11-15-2017 , 11:54 AM
Any idea why traffic has been down to much the past few days at the tables? Anything to do with the bitcoin volatility sat-monday? Like right now I know isn't peak but it's showing 900 players online, yesterday early afternoon it showed like 700. I'm used to seeing mid to high 2000's the past few weeks. Just curious. TIA.
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11-15-2017 , 12:03 PM
I honestly haven't noticed the traffic decline, but the majority of my action has been in the evening/night lately and there has been plenty enough action for me personally. I'm not a mass multitabler though and I primarily play 25nl and 50nl cash games right now. I wouldn't really notice if other games are suffering from traffic decline.
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11-15-2017 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
I honestly haven't noticed the traffic decline, but the majority of my action has been in the evening/night lately and there has been plenty enough action for me personally. I'm not a mass multitabler though and I primarily play 25nl and 50nl cash games right now. I wouldn't really notice if other games are suffering from traffic decline.
I've been on BOL for a good 2 years at least, probably should have asked this question a long time ago. I play either 1.50/3 or 2/4 PL OM HI or 2/4, 5/10 NL. Why is it if say at a 6 way table and 2 others are playing, I sit, than out of nowhere within 30 seconds tops the table is filled. Is there an option to get notified when a new player is coming to a new table? Or is that the bots? Always thought that was odd. TIA
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11-15-2017 , 03:39 PM
It's a seating script they all use and the table fills because they think you're a fish
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11-15-2017 , 07:49 PM
whats the best bitcoin wallet to use for deposit and withdrawal from BOL?
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11-15-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by aprogle
whats the best bitcoin wallet to use for deposit and withdrawal from BOL?
BOL -> blockchain -> Coinbase -> bank
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