I feel like you have an extremely positive outlook on the situation. It's tough to say that you are more confident than ever; I agree it's not panic mode time yet but I think you are being overly optimistic.

Do you guys realize that Bodog.com hasn't been in use for several months? They seized precisely nothing. In addition, Calvin Ayre has had to many indictments thrown at him that he was able to laugh it off within a few hours after it was released.

There's a reason Bodog did what they did moving their domain to .EU and moving Bovada to .LV. It's so when Bodog.com gets seized it affects exactly no one.

Morphy

be careful georgebush, even suggesting the possibility will get you accused of trolling

No, you get accused of trolling if you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Hence...

flex that muscle

Wow....It should be mandatory that people actually read the facts before they start their chicken little "The sky is falling" dance....

New forum rule, if you are going to comment on and/or freak out over over ANYTHING, be informed of the basic facts at least. Sure, we would lose 99% of the forum activity BUT...would that be such a bad thing?

QFMFT

I sometimes wish that posters would get warned for grunching and then following up by making a comment that clearly has no grasp of the current topic being discussed.

the sky isn't falling.. just some old website was taken... I withdrawld some $ last night as a test. And it arrived in the same speed and fashion as it always did, you can trust bodog.

April 14, 2011 "you can trust FTP"

I also have a suspicion that the DOJ won't touch the Mohawks because they are a native tribe. I have no facts or evidence to back up this suspicion but I think that is something the US and Cananda do not want to touch (which is the sovereignty of a tribal nation).

So I think Bovada is here to stay - I think they will try to just make it harder and harder to get money on/off w/o ever indicting anyone from Mohawk Gaming (which as we all know is basically the same thing as the Kanawake .. one is a tribe and the other is a nation, meaning one is just a sub division of the other. Which is the same reason why Kanawake will never be held liable for anything to do with UB or AP.

(1) I disagree that it doesn't affect the players. I know a recreational player who called my yesterday to say his money was taken by the FBI because he went to the .com site and saw the symbol. Many of these recreational players are still typing in .com, because previously it was simply directing them to .eu, so they never changed their bookmarks. In this specific instance this guy is so freaked out that he is too afraid to even log into the .exe to ask for a withdrawal - he thinks the FBI will find out somehow and he will get in trouble.

Just because all of us who follow the industry expected this - a lot of recreational players did not, and it scared the **** out of them. I can't see how this wouldn't negatively affect the player pool.

(2) I don't have all the facts in front of me, but when was Calvin previously indicted? These are the first formal charges I have heard of - please correct me if I am mistaken.

That'd be awesome if your speculation is true gem.

Miss reading your rants on ptr ha!

Milfy

Good point for #1, I didn't think about it that way. As for #2, I thought there were warrants out for his arrest, but seems like this is the first formal indictment.

As an interesting note, nothing about poker was mentioned in the indictments. It was all sports betting.

This is about sports betting, they were huge for a while in that department if I recall correctly since I haven't ever done any sports betting outside of inside a casino in Vegas.

I read a thing about him a while ago, can't recall what it was but he has been arrested/wanted and/or interest in him by the US for about as long as his name has been known in the online sports betting business.

I do not know if this is the right place to ask buy was wondering if people are able to get money off of bovada

What did this thread say when you read it?

+1 . Too many people don't take the time to read. They come here and ask a question without reading prior complaints/reviews/results posted in the thread.

sorry to have offended you

How are you guys going about paying taxes on bodog/bovada post update? Since there are no longer HH available the only way to keep track of sessions would appear to be keeping track by hand, but who really does that?

I've yet to hear back from my accountant on what he suggests but will post any advice I receive from him

He will tell you to keep a handwritten session log.

PS, FTP and UB/AP.com went down, then everyone started to goto .eu that didn't stop the Government at all!!

Going to .eu IMHO means squat they already got doyles and now everleaf. If and the keyword if they get another .eu we are dead!!

Only time will tell, I don't think them being Native means squat to the Government!!

Yes, I took most of mine off.

If Bodog(vada) survives it won't have anything to do with regulation...so paying taxes is on you!

Good, then we both agree that seizing Bodog.com was pointless and changes nothing.

The BDPO should be good. I see a lot of the satellites are getting good traffic. Good luck to everyone playing next week.

hi my screen name on this site was oxyman, but their dishonesty is just to obvious

the us govt should just not allow anyone in the us to access bovada by shutting down the ip address, (they were able to do this with poker stars) the site is crooked and dishonest and sends out bad checks. not to mention their no name policy(people please dont be naive and think they did this for the players) they did this so they could implant their bots and plants and they would go undetected believe this site is full of them. i caught several bots in the past and they were removed from the site. (so they could say they werent allowed) so they took away screen names so they will never be caught again. i hope i wake up and the site keeps all the us players money like full tilt did the greed of this second to none, not to mention the absolute useless customer service, i have absolutely no use for this company at all and wish they would just get shut down

LOL, people (including me) thought you might have been trolling because your reaction was so ridiculous, just like it is to make this out like something equivalent to "Black Friday".

I don't blame anyone for being cautious about keeping a lot of money on any US-facing site right now. You definitely need to manage your risk, and make sure you're comfortable with whatever you think the possibility is that the government could make it very difficult to get your money.

But if the DOJ seizing an unused domain and Calvin Ayre being indicted is enough to make you pull most or all of your money off, that just means you were living in some kind of blissful ignorance before. This has alerted you to something you should've been aware of a long time ago. You shouldn't expect that many other people will react the same way, as most people made their risk assessment quite a while ago. Hopefully you'll apply your newly increased level of awareness to decisions on other sites.

Definitely an angle I hadn't though of, and I'm sure there will be at least some impact. I don't know how big it will be, as the market is much more mature than it was 5 years ago, but no question that some players will have no idea what this is all about. It'll be up to Bodog to counter this as best they can with marketing.