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06-09-2013 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dark_horse
Why aren't NY residents allowed to sign up for new accounts? Same on Carbon.
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Originally Posted by RollingUP
Because it's against the law in certain states to play online poker.
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Originally Posted by Halstad
lol...although it may be true that it is illegal to play online poker in certain states this is not the reason NY residents are blocked. Online sports betting and online casinos are illegal in every state or almost every state and Bovada serves them. I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the reason they block NY residents is because of the Southern District of NY.
I do not know about Bovadadog but Carbon seems to block NY players only from SDNY. That includes only 2 of the 5 boroughs of NYC, Manhattan and the Bronx, as well as 6 counties north of NYC. Considering the cashout options from Bodogvada to NY outside of the SDNY, it leads me to believe they do not take new accounts from the entire state. It is my understanding that NY state has the strictest banking regulations.
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06-09-2013 , 12:50 PM
sweated a 20/40 LHE game...either there are bots in bovada, or someone is really good at taking near the same amount of time (10s-15s) before every decision, no matter how trivial. including "decisions" involving putting in 0.02bb on the river in a LHE game because his opponent is all in.

with anon tables, its crazy easy to get away with this.

example hand:

6 handed 20/40 LHE game, table "city capitals" #4383869

sb has 22, bb has TT.

4 folds, sb limps, bb (Bot) raises after 10s "thought", sb calls.
flop t94, sb checks, bb bets (after 10s "thought), sb calls
turn 2, sb checks, bb bets (10s thought) sb CR's, bb 3 bets (10s thought), sb 4 bets, bb calls (10s thought)

river brick, sb bets 0.5 big bets and is all in, bb "thinks" for 10s and calls.

and this site is pretty funny, considering:

http://www.pokerbot-review.com/bodogpokerbot.html

Last edited by KitCloudkicker; 06-09-2013 at 01:10 PM.
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06-09-2013 , 02:56 PM
Im not seeing any of the fixed limit gaurunteed mtts today. Anyone know anything?
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06-09-2013 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker
and this site is pretty funny, considering:

http://www.pokerbot-review.com/bodogpokerbot.html
What do you find funny about it?
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06-09-2013 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rakeme
I remember I opted in late for the last one and didn't play any hands that day. The next day I was still credited $50 for all the play I already had during the week. So assuming this is the same, all of your play from earlier this week should count.
Thats interesting, I stand corrected in my assumption.
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06-09-2013 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by XaQ Morphy
Think more, post less please.
@Tropics: ^This
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06-09-2013 , 07:37 PM
i have to preface this inquiry by saying i am not someone who believes poker is rigged, ''i have the worst luck in the world'' n i only lose money because im being cheated blah blah blah inspite of what my lack of posts seems to indicate to alot of people. im sure this question has been asked before, but i cant seem to find an answer on my own.....


why is bovada anonymous???

i get the psychology behind the idea and maybe theyre trying soemthing different. however, if u give it any deep thought, which any ceo of anything does, when pertaining to their bottom line, it is not a long term answer in competing with/beating their competitors. i dont even see why they would attempt to do so(assuming they are legitimate) for a multitude of reasons i find obv and dont see a reason to get into, but am not opposed to having that discussion if anyone disagrees. All this leads me to the point where i can do nothing but question their integrity. player funds and company assets not being separated, i expect when factoring risk.
these thoughts bring me to think that it would be easy to have a ''pokerbot''. connecting the dots, it would be a much more serious scam than ub because it is play money vs. real money. not only in cash games but tournaments as well. that prrrrobbb not +EV haha.


how many winners have won and cashed out in their big events???

i assume it would be good players a fair amount of the time, and more than enough good players are on 2+2. i mean how difficult is it to give ppl a name above their damn icon??? instead of some random prison number.ironic given the suffocating state of online poker in the US, i do feel kinda trapped trying to choose a site. i mean to me it is not a programming issue that makes it difficult. or makes the software run less smoothly. much less prominent sites have names without a problem. well a problem related to that anyway. i just cant see any how a company legitimately stands to profit from anonymity. reading between the lines, the seeds seem to be planted for a striaght up ponzi scheme. i should note, i know absolutely nothing about bovadadog whatevers business history. my intent is not to plant the seeds of doubt into others, im hoping to gain perspective on this issue.


sorry for the potentially unnecessary rant, but i felt i should express my thought process, so i dont sound like some incompetent fish, which i can assure u, i am at least very competent. but i felt it necessary, to get an intelligent, thorough answer. not only for myself, but those who may or may not have given the prospect of being cheated in this way much thought. im sure im not the first person to ask this question, but i cant seem to logically convince myself to deposit there, or see why anyone would.




cliff notes to my wordyness:
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why anon accounts???

- asking for intelligent feed back, potentially(semi-hopefully) making me feel stupid about the notion of ''pokerbots''



-who has won their big events/ cashed out big amounts. or inquiries the contrary

-and anything related to those issues.




i should clearly state that my intent is to not start or feed int0 any unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, i jsut want answers. thanks in advance for any enlightenment.
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06-09-2013 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by patrick chewing
snip nonsense
This has been covered already. The reasons they went to anon play have been covered ad nauseum. Plenty of people have won big events and/or cashed out large amounts.

Bottom line is if you don't like it, don't play there.
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06-09-2013 , 07:44 PM
Patrick, the anonymous tables are an attempt by Bovada to level the playing field some between winning and losing poker players to increase rake generated.

Anonymous tables eliminate the hunting of bad players by good players and erase any notes or reads good players get on bad players the next time they play with them. This in effect decreases your edge if you are a winning thinking player as compared to playing on other sites.

As far as are cashouts, there is a Bovada cashout thread on the main page. In it you will see some people relaying information about their checks ect to other players. It can be assumed a lot of them have won that cash playing casino games, betting sports, and playing all different forms of poker including MTTs.
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06-09-2013 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by patrick chewing
cliff notes to my wordyness:
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why anon accounts???

Was explained perfectly above. They operate on a model to keep recreational players happy

- asking for intelligent feed back, potentially(semi-hopefully) making me feel stupid about the notion of ''pokerbots''

Yes, there are bots on bovada. Most of them are spotted easily with timing tells, and are not very good.

-who has won their big events/ cashed out big amounts. or inquiries the contrary

Cashouts are some of the best in the US.

-and anything related to those issues.




i should clearly state that my intent is to not start or feed int0 any unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, i jsut want answers. thanks in advance for any enlightenment.
In bold above.
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06-09-2013 , 08:21 PM
guess i couldve browsed the thread better. thanks
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06-09-2013 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by patrick chewing
i have to preface this inquiry by saying i am not someone who believes poker is rigged, ''i have the worst luck in the world'' n i only lose money because im being cheated blah blah blah inspite of what my lack of posts seems to indicate to alot of people. im sure this question has been asked before, but i cant seem to find an answer on my own.....


why is bovada anonymous???

i get the psychology behind the idea and maybe theyre trying soemthing different. however, if u give it any deep thought, which any ceo of anything does, when pertaining to their bottom line, it is not a long term answer in competing with/beating their competitors. i dont even see why they would attempt to do so(assuming they are legitimate) for a multitude of reasons i find obv and dont see a reason to get into, but am not opposed to having that discussion if anyone disagrees. All this leads me to the point where i can do nothing but question their integrity. player funds and company assets not being separated, i expect when factoring risk.
these thoughts bring me to think that it would be easy to have a ''pokerbot''. connecting the dots, it would be a much more serious scam than ub because it is play money vs. real money. not only in cash games but tournaments as well. that prrrrobbb not +EV haha.
Have you looked at their competitors traffic lately? Last I checked Bovada's traffic has been strong compared to their competitors
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06-10-2013 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by patrick chewing
i have to preface this inquiry by saying i am not someone who believes poker is rigged, ''i have the worst luck in the world'' n i only lose money because im being cheated blah blah blah inspite of what my lack of posts seems to indicate to alot of people. im sure this question has been asked before, but i cant seem to find an answer on my own.....


why is bovada anonymous???

i get the psychology behind the idea and maybe theyre trying soemthing different. however, if u give it any deep thought, which any ceo of anything does, when pertaining to their bottom line, it is not a long term answer in competing with/beating their competitors. i dont even see why they would attempt to do so(assuming they are legitimate) for a multitude of reasons i find obv and dont see a reason to get into, but am not opposed to having that discussion if anyone disagrees. All this leads me to the point where i can do nothing but question their integrity. player funds and company assets not being separated, i expect when factoring risk.
these thoughts bring me to think that it would be easy to have a ''pokerbot''. connecting the dots, it would be a much more serious scam than ub because it is play money vs. real money. not only in cash games but tournaments as well. that prrrrobbb not +EV haha.


how many winners have won and cashed out in their big events???

i assume it would be good players a fair amount of the time, and more than enough good players are on 2+2. i mean how difficult is it to give ppl a name above their damn icon??? instead of some random prison number.ironic given the suffocating state of online poker in the US, i do feel kinda trapped trying to choose a site. i mean to me it is not a programming issue that makes it difficult. or makes the software run less smoothly. much less prominent sites have names without a problem. well a problem related to that anyway. i just cant see any how a company legitimately stands to profit from anonymity. reading between the lines, the seeds seem to be planted for a striaght up ponzi scheme. i should note, i know absolutely nothing about bovadadog whatevers business history. my intent is not to plant the seeds of doubt into others, im hoping to gain perspective on this issue.


sorry for the potentially unnecessary rant, but i felt i should express my thought process, so i dont sound like some incompetent fish, which i can assure u, i am at least very competent. but i felt it necessary, to get an intelligent, thorough answer. not only for myself, but those who may or may not have given the prospect of being cheated in this way much thought. im sure im not the first person to ask this question, but i cant seem to logically convince myself to deposit there, or see why anyone would.




cliff notes to my wordyness:
-
why anon accounts???

- asking for intelligent feed back, potentially(semi-hopefully) making me feel stupid about the notion of ''pokerbots''



-who has won their big events/ cashed out big amounts. or inquiries the contrary

-and anything related to those issues.




i should clearly state that my intent is to not start or feed int0 any unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, i jsut want answers. thanks in advance for any enlightenment.
tl;dr

cliffs: you are a fish, stfu, and gtfo!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if you can't win on bovada, you are simply not cut out for Intertnet Poker. Find a new hobby.

And yes, I am being way too kind, b/c obv the IP economy needs people like you.
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06-10-2013 , 12:31 AM
what's the site/link that compares all the US poker sites in terms of traffic, cash outs etc think I seen it somewhere on here but forgot what it was
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06-10-2013 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by The Ocean
what's the site/link that compares all the US poker sites in terms of traffic, cash outs etc think I seen it somewhere on here but forgot what it was
http://www.pokerscout.com/
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06-10-2013 , 12:43 AM
Well this sucks. Today i was playing blackjack on Bovada and lost about $400. Altogether i've lost more than $2000 on the blackjack. Then i decided to write an email to Bovada to ban me from casinos like blackjack and other table games. I asked them to let me keep the poker sports betting and horses. They emailed me back and said they have disable my casino access but i can still access the blackjack through my poker client......... As you know the there is a BJ symbol in the corner of every Bovada poker table tempting me to play.
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06-10-2013 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by idun215
Well this sucks. Today i was playing blackjack on Bovada and lost about $400. Altogether i've lost more than $2000 on the blackjack. Then i decided to write an email to Bovada to ban me from casinos like blackjack and other table games. I asked them to let me keep the poker sports betting and horses. They emailed me back and said they have disable my casino access but i can still access the blackjack through my poker client......... As you know the there is a BJ symbol in the corner of every Bovada poker table tempting me to play.
Go into user preferences, blackjack tab and uncheck the option "force me to degen all my money away at blackjack."
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06-10-2013 , 12:56 AM
they anon the tables to super use you with less detection. just like when wpex didnt put the names in the hand histories long time ago and put seat 1- whatever.
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06-10-2013 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog

thanks

so does Bovada consistently have the most traffic out of all the US sites and would you say cash outs are also consistently fast

if you were in the US would you say Bovada is the best site if you specifically want to just play MTTs?

thanks for the info guys
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06-10-2013 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by The Ocean
thanks

so does Bovada consistently have the most traffic out of all the US sites and would you say cash outs are also consistently fast

if you were in the US would you say Bovada is the best site if you specifically want to just play MTTs?

thanks for the info guys
If I was an American MTT player I would try to keep some money on all the available sites because none have enough player volume and Tournys so satisfy a very active MTT player.

If I had to just choose one site Id probably go with Merge. Bovada has faster cashouts but Merge has a better schedule, software, and charge much less rake.

If cashout speed supersedes the above, then Bovada should be fine for you.
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06-10-2013 , 01:20 AM
For MTTs Merge is your best option. The schedule and prize pools are much better than any of the other options. PokerHost is the best skin on Merge as far as cashouts are concerned.

For cash games Bovada has the best volume by far, but they also have the anonymous tables and a 4 table cap. I've done pretty well on their cash games across a variety of different games. I would suggest that if something seems fishy at a table then it probably is. Don't be shy about just getting up if you suspect something out of the norm going on. W/ anonymous tables comes collusion and bots as others have stated ITT.
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06-10-2013 , 02:36 AM
thanks guys,

what's the deal with the 4 table cap? if am only playing MTTs I would have to wait til I got knocked out of a tourney to enter another one if am in 4 already

kinda sucks I wrote down about 17 tourneys on the Sunday list today I'd want to play lol from like 1pm to 9 or 10 pm

edit* Merge I see has the long cash outs and no P2P transfer so am not really interested in that network
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06-10-2013 , 02:47 AM
4 table cap applies only to sng and cash. No cap on MTTs
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06-10-2013 , 02:51 AM
sweet thanks now I feel better about my list that I want to play...was getting ready to space out the best ones lol
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06-10-2013 , 03:35 AM
    $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    MP: $18.27 (73.1 bb)
    CO: $9.29 (37.2 bb)
    BTN: $24.10 (96.4 bb)
    Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
    BB: $26.09 (104.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q
    MP raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.50, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25

    Flop: ($2) T 9 J (4 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

    Turn: ($5) 7 (4 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $2.25, 3 folds

    Results: $5 pot ($0.25 rake)
    Final Board: T 9 J 7
    MP mucked T Q and lost (-$1.25 net)
    CO mucked T 8 and lost (-$1.25 net)
    BTN mucked 5 J and lostHero mucked A Q and lost (-$1.25 net)
    BB showed Q K and won $4.75 ($3.50 net)






    Possibly two bots? CO folds a straight flush. Misclick maybe I guess, but just seems odd.
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