True, but again my point was that it doesn't hurt bumhunters as much as he thought. For the first 2 tables or so you can still "bumhunt".

This.

Also, there should be a wait list system for starting new tables, where you can sign up for your stake and once there are enough players signed up a new table spawns. There are too many short handed tables spawning at some stakes (100nl) that are never filling and dying constantly.

The main downside I see in the new system is that people won't shot take higher stakes as often. I'll always jump up a stake or two if I see a good table, but not anymore.

Excellent point. I was dabbling in some NL600 tables when they were good. Probably won't be doing that too often anymore.

Ya, my experience over the past 1.5 days (just finished another session), has sucked compared to me finding my own tables. I was no bumhunter, never have been. If a table is full of good regs, I will move after awhile. I play poker to win money, not stroke my ego. My ego is plenty big enough on it's own.

But most of my tables were 3-4 handed (pretty much all of them), or they would start HU's. I had two fish in 4 sessions played now over about 2.4k hands. I saw a lot of rec players buy in short, sit for awhile and leave. And I have been supportive of past updates, and I'm not a hyperbolic person by nature.

Jury is still out, but I'd like to just choose a 6max table and sit. I don't want to have to start HU's against another reg every single session.

Do what I do. Sit out and wait for table to fill. Then sit in and play.



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After multiple posts about bumhunting, we get it. Bumhunting makes you feel some sort of way.


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I play at the same stakes and experienced the same bs

I had two players numbered 0 in one tournament yesterday and another player # 0 today. I called Customer support and they said I was the only person to report the issue. His solution for me was to reinstall the software lol. I advise calling and letting them know it is a widespread thing so they hopefully fix it.

They probably need to reduce the rake when play is 2-3 handed if players are now essentially being forced to play a higher ratio of HU hands. The rake increase last year made it very expensive for two equally matched players to play HU, so the danger is that those costs could turn a lot of players away and kill liquidity.

getting the 0 issue as well

This shiz is for the birds.

You sound like the losers in the Stars threads gloating about the grinders losing rakeback when they themselves are losing rakeback as well. It's bad for everybody and if you don't see that, you're a complete moron.

Will do. I had some 0 players but also some players literally had the wrong number. I only knew because of the chat and HUD

I think they should allow people to play more tables if they are going to do this.

hate the update due to short stackers - at least before you could avoid tables with 2-3 shortstackers on them

No a threat will not work. The have huge egos thinking nothing will happen because they control the poker market in america. They will listen to actions though and change. If everyone decided to not come back even if they made changes then maybe adding there old bodog format back is what they would do. As they would be desperate, but in the end this is all speculation and wishful thinking.

I agree with this recs choose tables based on superstitious and emotion based situations, or maybe a coin flip with a 50 cent piece, or maybe they lost to much money at said table and they wll not forget that table name like a bad beat. recs like to have control over the games they sit in because they sure as hell have no control over there poker game.

Can't choose seat in cash games, bs.

In tournaments, you can't take notes cause the players #s and note #s don't match. Same for who wins the pots, #'s don't match up.

Crazy you can have so many inaccuracies and so much control taken away from you when you are playing with your own money.

Hahahahahahahahaha I literally cannot even believe how ridiculous the update is. Time to withdraw.

I think they did it just to hide the fact that the lobby has been dwindling down to ghost town status over the past year and a half. "The place won't look empty if you can't see how few tables are running."

Message I sent them:

Just wanted to drop a quick message to say two things:

1. Love the service you guys provide to american players, your customer service has always been helpful and it is a site I recommend to others, that said

2. The new update is pretty bad in my opinion. I hope you will consider going back to the model in which players could choose their own tables instead of the new quick seating system. I have serious doubts about recreational players enjoying having the seating choice taken away from them and as I'm sure you realized before rolling it out it is very unpopular for the regs who are generally the ones starting tables to drive action, particularly at the games that are less popular. Here is a thread relating some of the issues...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28.../index436.html

Thank you for your time.

I can get over the auto-seatment - cool - maybe it somewhat helps against colluders.
(Although IP tracking would be better for this, and if someone appears dif IP every time then they are VPN'n or doing something shady because ISPs don't change them that often, and this way you could do geolocation to make sure neighbors wouldn't be seated at the same table or that two IPs cant constantly play together) BUT F*#K let me at least see what games are running and what peoples stack sizes are! I shot take 5/10 here and there but I'm never going to search for it . I join it because I see something good is running thats out of my normal play.

The experience is going to be different for different players. For me the new system is *a lot* slower and *a lot* more cumbersome. I play every game on the site and jump between multiple stakes. My normal process looks something like this - I log into the site, open the cash section, scan between games/stakes, and the decide what I'm going to play based on multiple factors. Under the new system, this kind of an approach is impossible - you have to decide what game/stake you want to play with no information and without even knowing if tables are available. So it takes a really long time - I might want to play HU PLO, only to find there are no games running and then am forced to start the process over. It's bull**** - I used to play a bit on Carbon and when they moved to a similar system as this I left the site and never looked back.

This is a pretty good guess imo

I have to say people most likely right the change will lower win rates. One has to ask themselves why we all play here vs say ACR? I would argue the only reason is the soft games. How has the site managed to keep the games good for years? Largely by doing things grinders are going to hate.

I suppose we can all just go 12 table ACR. But I've never seen or heard anyone say how great the games are (at least the NL scene). What I am trying to say is yes it will be harder, but people will always have leaks.