I would not accept it, could jeopardize your account!

I personally would be very careful. You will be forever tried with that account. Similar to if you accept the $100 refer-a-friend bonus and that account gets caught cheating they will confiscate the balance of both players. My guess is if whoever is offering you this turns out to be doing something shady you are risking your entire balance.

That being said, I would love some rake back so if I was offered the same thing I would definitely be considering the benefits and risks, calculating how much am I actually going to make ... comparing that to what my average balance is ... then seeing if its a good risk/reward ratio. Find out what your break-even point is, if its only a few months then probably worth the risk - if its 20 years probably not so much.

oh wow. if the person you referred get caught cheating, both accounts and money will be seized?

Yes, although obviously it is case by case. There have been posters in this thread who have had that happen.

For example, if you refer someone. They deposit $500 and lose it, then they do a charge-back. Others have said they will come after the referrer for the $500 unpaid debt (meaning they will take the $500 from your account).

Blatant cheating or colluding then I could see them closing all associated accounts.

solid advice imo^

I feel these deals were completely closed out a few months ago. Also are they asking your cousin, friend, wife, dog to create an acct? Or are u a new sign up?

Also if your deal is legit i would get aggressive with the affiliate and tell them that a 15-20% rb is not acceptable and you would like a stronger cut of their 40% or whatever. Remember they can go radio silent on you at any time and take ur cut.

Sounds shady especially since so many lost their rb recently. If you depend on bovada don't do it. If you don't care, do it.

just to warn everyone else; my balance is still missing funds from the 'server switch' they had last week. I have sent several emails and they keep saying they are working on the issue but that it's not yet resolved.

I just found out you can see all hole cards 24 hours after a hand. is that in PT4 and HEM or just specific versions of those or what? I cant seem to see any but my own


is it because im importing through card catcher instead of hand converter?

So Ive rolled back my PT4 from v4.14.7 to v4.13.5 but do I need to roll back the hand converter as well?


It seems that the original HHs all have every hole card visible in them but as soon as I convert the hands they disappear and this is with show every hole card selected, I have quadruple checked. I have also tried converting them with PT3/4 and HEM1/2 options selected and the output HH is the same, so the problem must lie within the hand converter itself and not Pt4 (so far anyway)

Can anyone help me from here?

^you probably just need to check the box "enable known hole cards" in Settings in the converter

As stated i have checked that. Thanks though

Is there any way to re import old hands into my db? Maybe i just need new hands to see the changes take effect and get it to work

Create a new database, one database you will use with the catcher and one with the converter. Select the new database and import your hands.
In the replay window of both PT4 and HM2 there is an option to enable known hole cards. I have the latest version of PT4 and version 2.0.0.8079 of HM2.

HI everyone, Im having issues uploading hands.I converted a bunch of hands via the bovada hand converter played and then uploaded them but the hands seemed to have many, many errors and did not upload properly, can someone please tell me what I need to do to fix this problem?

I don't quite understand so many ppls reluctance about taking these deals. Its basiically free money.

I believe the max an affiliate gets for poker is 25%. I have never heard of any affiliate getting 40% on Bovada, at least from rev share just from poker.

I find it hard to believe Bovada would not let you withdrawal your balance just because your affiliate started being a chode. If that has happened to ppl its probably bcuz the affiliate had started making mult accounts on his/her own and it was the actual affiliate complaining. Bovada is smarter than risking their reputation on that.

There also no real incentive to keep the rev share (rb) if they expect you to keep playing. All they would be doing is making a tiny amt in the short term amd goving up lots of money in the long run. How are any of these deals any worse than a large affiliate doing "rake races"?

Not really. I won't post the full email cause i have no reason to damage the affiliate but i quote...


"For BetOnline and Bovada, since there are no rakeback or vip deals to be had anywhere, I offer anyone who signs up through me 50% of any commission that is paid by the affiliate. This usually equates to around ~20-25% rakeback, depending on the volume and stakes played. In addition, on BetOnline there is a $2,000 deposit bonus, or any amount lower than that if you don't want to deposit that much, but just keep in mind it needs to be cleared before you first cashout (someone people try to cashout right away after just playing a few hands, but it's in your best interest to clear the full amount first of course). With your new Bovada account, that will also come with a new $1,000 deposit bonus. For my higher volume players on Bovada/BetOnline, they earn an extra $300-$800/month, and I can pay that amount monthly directly to you on Paypal, Venmo, Black Chip Poker, or Intertops.Making a new Bovada account isn't that big of a deal and I've had several players do it so they can take advantage of the extra rakeback I can offer. It does need to be under a new name and email, however since they allow wire payouts people are generally able to still link their own bank account. If not, the worst case scenario is simply having the person you use sign over checks to you. It can be any trusted friend, relative, etc. Many people use cousins, parents, whomever you would be most comfortable with. Remind them the money/check never touches their own bank account so there is no record or implication to them (even though none of this is illegal it can worry some people), they simply sign it over to you.

edit: can a mod delete my post tomorrow as i might need this affiliate in the future. thanks!

your account would be severely at risk as you are violating t&c a million times over.

again, if you don't depend on bovada as a source of income, do it. If you depend on bovada, don't do it cause he's a chode who refused to respond to my 40 objections to his email.

edit: nevermind about deleting my post/ i want to win fair and square. And BW is right; He is a complete chode who refused to respond once i smoked him out. I was not born yesterday.

Yes. Got offered. 1 t
k first. 50Pts. Of $7.70. Then at 150pts. Gets a $22 tk
. bovada. Gave me $500 back in mar or apr called them up cause. I wanted to know. Where it magically. Came from ...WELL I WON SUM DRAWING
Also getton. About 5 lucky draw. Tourney. Tickes where. 2 in ) win a ticket. Into dundays s100k

Sry. 1 in 10

I think people are reluctant to illegally circumvent Bovadas no RB policy because they do not find it as hard to believe as you do that your account could possibly be in jeopardy at some point because of this action.

TBH, I can not think of too many things that would annoy Bovada more than new regs joining their site with under the table RB deals. This basically goes against every grain of their being and their objective as a poker site.

Putting all of that aside, I would also be very wary of doing business with any affiliate that would offer to facilitate this arrangement with you. If they have no problem in cheating the site, why would they have any hesitation about cheating or stealing from you at some point?

Just my opinion FWIW. Good luck.

Well, technically using a HUD on Sportsbetting/BOL is frowned upon, but everybody does it and nobody has their balances touched from that. Keep in mind, I'm not necessarily advocating going against Bovada's rules. I want to make that clear. I guess it's a risk reward situation even though I really feel the risk is quite low. I do not personally have any money in my Bovada account, but my friend does and has played under an affiliate with consistent rev share streams for almost two years without any problems. Lets be real here, there's more of you on these deals than you want to admit. I think alot of you just don't want anybody else to acknowledge these deals, because you are scared Bovada might stop paying out rev share like Carbon did. Which I guess is understandable and protecting your own best interests.

Word to the wise though, if anybody is on one of these deals, do not accept any special bonuses from Bovada or it will cut into your affiliates pay.

Good luck to all. I'm player #4, or #7, sometimes #9 if I can get it, cuz thats my lucky seat and all derp derp derp

Wow. I can't believe you just wrote that/

Holy smokes! And with the derp derp derp south park reference? This is a serious matter. People do not want their acct closed.

Come on man. You are putting players in jeapardy. It is the second biggest site in the world and the only option for many.

I wish you had money on bovada cause then u might understand more.

gl

Is it PokerMath streaming on twitch offering RB? Clearly is offering RB on his twitch channel and freaked out, deleted my messages, and shut down stream when I asked about it being shady...

just FYI, i recently made a deposit on a CC i almost only use for depositing. a couple days later I had a (small) unauthorized charge and had to cancel the card. Not sure if it's connected, but i'm quite suspicious

Yes because in online poker (and in life) people always just give out free money no strings attached.

Get your free lunches here!

My guess is Bovada would beg to differ with the bold part and the rest of the e-mail is really shady. I would't touch that offer if it was for 100% rake back.