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09-15-2021 , 09:01 PM
Definitely move up to 100NL already
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09-15-2021 , 11:52 PM
I'm trying to install the Bovada software on my Windows 10 PC.

I keep getting the "There was an error while rollbacking a faild update. You may need to reinstall the application." error.

I've tried deleting and reinstalling like 3 times, and the ignition software gave me the same problem.

Is there a known fix to this?
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09-16-2021 , 12:58 AM
Can't edit my previous post, I successfully installed the Ignition software, but I'd like to play with the Bovada software as that's where my money mostly is right now.
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09-16-2021 , 01:56 AM
@Alan those were the assumptions, treat it like a game and get to know the micro streets. What’s the difference between 50nl and 100nl? You could have jumped into 200nl and it wouldn’t have made a difference in your life.

Play for the experience, take lines to see if they’ll work and try alternate strategies (float 3bets, bluff raise rivers when they’re capped and you’re not; get a feel for the tipping points of avg regs). There’s nothing to prove in winrates or buyins unless that’s your thing. Treat it as a learning experience while you fill out your poker portfolio going up in stakes.

If we are speaking openly what do y’all think about the 50bb stacks donking out on low boards? Seems like a limit play except they don’t have the range advantage. Do they make a profit with that play or is it being taught somewhere?

Last edited by ScoopThaPoop; 09-16-2021 at 02:25 AM. Reason: I don’t want to sound too willy nilly. I mean things like in close spots take every opportunity to expand your 4bets etc
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09-16-2021 , 02:23 AM
I'm moving a significant sum from Ignition to Exodus to Gemini. The only way I've known how to transfer your cryptocurrency to USD in order to then send USD to your bank account is to sell the crypto for USD on the market. I've done this for smaller withdrawals without noticing how large the fee is. What's the deal? I don't remember this type of fee when I used Blockchain.

Last edited by DifferentName; 09-16-2021 at 02:32 AM.
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09-16-2021 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ScoopThaPoop
If we are speaking openly what do y’all think about the 50bb stacks donking out on low boards? Seems like a limit play except they don’t have the range advantage. Do they make a profit with that play or is it being taught somewhere?
In MTTs it's GTO-advised for the BB to donk a number of low boards, 753 and 643 type boards. They may not have a range advantage but they have a nut advantage (all sets, and many straights and other good stuff IP doesn't have).

Not sure about 50bb cash. BB obviously doesn't call pre nearly as wide with no antes in play.

It's not a limit play. Played millions of LHE hands.
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09-16-2021 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DifferentName
I'm moving a significant sum from Ignition to Exodus to Gemini. The only way I've known how to transfer your cryptocurrency to USD in order to then send USD to your bank account is to sell the crypto for USD on the market. I've done this for smaller withdrawals without noticing how large the fee is. What's the deal? I don't remember this type of fee when I used Blockchain.
Are you talking about a high transfer or selling fee?

I use Coinbase to buy/sell from USD to BTC on their market exchange and the fee has always been 0.5% or $5 per $1k.

Blockchain's transfer fees were insanely high for a awhile, but now they have been under 25cents for my recent transfers.
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09-16-2021 , 10:56 AM
Am I the only one who is having problems seeing their hand histories and recent game results?
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09-16-2021 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Apothos
I'm trying to install the Bovada software on my Windows 10 PC.

I keep getting the "There was an error while rollbacking a faild update. You may need to reinstall the application." error.

I've tried deleting and reinstalling like 3 times, and the ignition software gave me the same problem.

Is there a known fix to this?
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Originally Posted by Apothos
Can't edit my previous post, I successfully installed the Ignition software, but I'd like to play with the Bovada software as that's where my money mostly is right now.
Sometimes Windows is the problem. Even a brand new computer right out of the box might not have all the Windows updates installed. Go to "Start" > "Settings" > "Update & Security" > "Windows Update" and install any updates needed to Windows. Afterwards try installing the Bonition software you want again. It sounds like you finally got Ignition to download, but can't get Bovada which is weird since they should be almost identical downloads. If you have Ignition, but most of your money is on Bovada, you can still use the web browser software to play on either one. And if you prefer the downloaded version, then you can at least use the browser version to make a withdrawal from Bovada through whatever withdrawal method you prefer and then move it over to Ignition.

Last edited by ladybruin; 09-16-2021 at 11:48 AM.
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09-16-2021 , 12:52 PM
@DifferentName thanks for the explanation

I don’t mean to spam this thread so I’ll ask once. Could someone point me in a direction with how to accelerate my understanding of poker theory/solver play?

I have the time and am willing to put in the work. What I lack is the ability to do it myself, I always get bogged down in questions I can’t answer and that drains the progress.

Heck I’d offer a six-pack or bottle of something to watch a recorded session and just talk about where I’m at in poker and what I need to learn. I don’t know what I don’t know, ya know?
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09-16-2021 , 02:00 PM
I play Pot Limit Omaha, therefore I can't offer up what is the best route for a NLH player, but hopefully someone else can answer.
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09-16-2021 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Billy723
Are you talking about a high transfer or selling fee?

I use Coinbase to buy/sell from USD to BTC on their market exchange and the fee has always been 0.5% or $5 per $1k.

Blockchain's transfer fees were insanely high for a awhile, but now they have been under 25cents for my recent transfers.
Selling fee. The only way I'm aware of to convert crypto to USD on Gemini is to sell it on the market. I don't remember doing this on Coinbase, but I'm not really a guy to notice fees; maybe it was always like this. I'll just say it, it was a $600 fee on a $40k sell. I guess that's only 1.5%. But I can't imagine crypto guys are paying this fee every time they switch crypto to USD.

The other options given are "redeem" and "convert". Redeem has something to do with accruing interest and convert only converts one crypto to other cryptos.

I used to use Blockchain and Coinbase but I switched to Exodus and Gemini.
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09-16-2021 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DifferentName
Selling fee. The only way I'm aware of to convert crypto to USD on Gemini is to sell it on the market. I don't remember doing this on Coinbase, but I'm not really a guy to notice fees; maybe it was always like this. I'll just say it, it was a $600 fee on a $40k sell. I guess that's only 1.5%. But I can't imagine crypto guys are paying this fee every time they switch crypto to USD.

The other options given are "redeem" and "convert". Redeem has something to do with accruing interest and convert only converts one crypto to other cryptos.

I used to use Blockchain and Coinbase but I switched to Exodus and Gemini.
All exchanges charge a fee ... otherwise why would they be in the business.
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09-16-2021 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoopThaPoop
@DifferentName thanks for the explanation

I don’t mean to spam this thread so I’ll ask once. Could someone point me in a direction with how to accelerate my understanding of poker theory/solver play?

I have the time and am willing to put in the work. What I lack is the ability to do it myself, I always get bogged down in questions I can’t answer and that drains the progress.

Heck I’d offer a six-pack or bottle of something to watch a recorded session and just talk about where I’m at in poker and what I need to learn. I don’t know what I don’t know, ya know?
The book Modern Poker Theory helped me quite a bit in this regard. It's focused on MTT play but has a chapter on 6m cash ranges as well.

You can buy a solver and **** around with it. I bought pio a couple years back for 6m cash and then promptly never used it because it seems so tedious to input all the variables and all that. But there are plenty of places on the internet where people share their solver work, so you can do some pseudo-GTO work this way.

Edit: if you buy MPT get the most recent version. The original is littered with typos and graphs that don't display the solution for THAT spot (real solutions but inaccurately labeled). I stared at the ranges given for cash game BTN v SB 3b and BTN v BB 3b for forever before realizing that the ranges he gave are quite literally exactly the same. He printed the same solution twice. It's fixed in the more recent edition. It's a very good book otherwise.

Last edited by DifferentName; 09-16-2021 at 03:00 PM.
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09-16-2021 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sah_24
All exchanges charge a fee ... otherwise why would they be in the business.
Sure, but it seemed rather high to me. If everybody is paying 1.5% of significant sums every time they want to put money in their actual bank account, then I'll admit I'm trippin'.

I understand a fee to sell or buy. But I don't really want to do that. It's just the only way of which I'm aware to convert it to USD on Gemini.
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09-16-2021 , 03:10 PM
Binance.us 's exchange fees are an order of magnitude smaller than Coinbase.
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09-16-2021 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DifferentName
Selling fee. The only way I'm aware of to convert crypto to USD on Gemini is to sell it on the market. I don't remember doing this on Coinbase, but I'm not really a guy to notice fees; maybe it was always like this. I'll just say it, it was a $600 fee on a $40k sell. I guess that's only 1.5%. But I can't imagine crypto guys are paying this fee every time they switch crypto to USD.

The other options given are "redeem" and "convert". Redeem has something to do with accruing interest and convert only converts one crypto to other cryptos.

I used to use Blockchain and Coinbase but I switched to Exodus and Gemini.
Coinbase pro fee is 0.5%. It goes down from there based on how much activity you have in the last 30 days. So just use coinbase pro and save $400 next time.
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09-16-2021 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Coinbase pro fee is 0.5%. It goes down from there based on how much activity you have in the last 30 days. So just use coinbase pro and save $400 next time.
Thanks !!!

I got a warning from Coinbase a long time ago back when they were warning about gambling transactions instead of the closing acounts they are doing now. So I moved away from Coinbase. But, Coinbase Pro, with the trailing 30 day period pricing tiers seems like the way to go.

Here is one page mentioning pricing tiers that I found after reading SimpleRick's post.

https://help.coinbase.com/en/pro/tra...-and-fees/fees

I haven't had a chance yet, but I'll also look into AlanBostick's post about Binance.us 's exchange fees.
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09-16-2021 , 09:28 PM
Anybody able to review hands in MTTs tonight?

I keep getting that "can't connect to server" even after restarting the client.
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09-17-2021 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ladybruin
Sometimes Windows is the problem. Even a brand new computer right out of the box might not have all the Windows updates installed. Go to "Start" > "Settings" > "Update & Security" > "Windows Update" and install any updates needed to Windows. Afterwards try installing the Bonition software you want again. It sounds like you finally got Ignition to download, but can't get Bovada which is weird since they should be almost identical downloads. If you have Ignition, but most of your money is on Bovada, you can still use the web browser software to play on either one. And if you prefer the downloaded version, then you can at least use the browser version to make a withdrawal from Bovada through whatever withdrawal method you prefer and then move it over to Ignition.
I got Bovada to work, but I don't know why.

I was originally trying to install it on the hard drive that I use for storage/things I don't really need to load fast as it's just a HDD. I moved the Bovada folder to the SSD which has my windows installation on it and the software immediately started working.

When I got Ignition to work it was also on the SSD with my Windows install.
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09-17-2021 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Billy723
Anybody able to review hands in MTTs tonight?

I keep getting that "can't connect to server" even after restarting the client.
I've been getting the same thing for a few days
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09-17-2021 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Coinbase pro fee is 0.5%. It goes down from there based on how much activity you have in the last 30 days. So just use coinbase pro and save $400 next time.
i noticed the discussion of fees. i keep (for me) a significant amount of crypto and/or USD on the nexo.io platform, which is a "CeFi" (centralized finance) portal. i wont pretend to be a crypto expert, but so far nexo has been excellent for me. nexo offers free crypto trading and cash withdrawals (within some limits i believe, depending upon certain variables). i have not personally w/d cash to my bank yet, but i have made crypto xfers in/out, and exchanged crypto for other crypto/usd many times. it always says "zero fees". it is possible that they have a spread in their exchange rates for buying or selling; i havent done enough in depth research on that to know for sure. if anyone is interested, i could provide a referral code.
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09-18-2021 , 11:36 PM
Did any other players who had their $$ dissappear from the ZONE tables get there $$ back?

I can now sit back at my usual stake, but have not gotten the $$ back.
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09-18-2021 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PriyaPinto
Still yet to be refunded my $700~ USD from my zone poker table on the 5th of September. But I can play 4 tables - which is probably more worrying given the money isn't frozen on a table anymore.
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Go to account > hand history > game transactions > zone poker (last 7 days or whatever appropriate timeframe) and find the game transactions where you are owed money. Click on them to view the actions/descriptions and if you haven't gotten money back yet the table buy-in+ table add chips minus the table cashout(if there is one) will not add up to the win/loss amount. Take a screenshot(s) of this(these) and post it on their internal forum (forum.ignitioncasino.eu for ignition) (community.bovada.lv for bovada). Also send it to the email support for redundancy. Good chance you'll get the money manually added to your account. Also a chance later when they fix the glitch you'll get the money added to your account again (happened to me). Good luck.
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same but how can we get it resolved because they don't seem to know how to fix it
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Did any other players who had their $$ dissappear from the ZONE tables get there $$ back?

I can now sit back at my usual stake, but have not gotten the $$ back.
PriyaPinto and queenofheartspoker seem to be the only two that I saw that posted about the same issue in this thread. Not everyone catches every post, therefore I would PM them both to see if their Zone crash money has been refunded. SimpleRick posted some helpful information that might help you find out the exact amount missing. And as usual, when there is a big issue, post here and the Bonition forum.
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09-19-2021 , 02:23 AM
Thanks for the detailed reply. I will PM those others who were effected.

As for the forum.ignitioncasino.eu website forum, I'm unable to access the page unfortunately. I've kind of lost hope that I'll get the money back as support told me that everything was refunded(and it definitely has not been), I should've taken screenshots. Next time will do.
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