I understand how the fish may become inpatient when regs take a little bit longer on occasion to make decisions because of other tables running

Capping the tables at 8 isn't going to make a difference to the speed for me though, I will just fire up more tables on other sites, as will most of the regs. Which means in the long run less rake for 888 because less games are running.

But hey, they must just want too make less money to "save the game of poker", according to them anyway, probably not the share holders....

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They leave and either go to another table (if 888 is lucky), log off and gamble elsewhere or call it a night. If it happens often enough they might not come back at all. Since the fish are the ones that drive the site it seems obvious that in order to protect the long term future of 888 they need to keep the fish happy. If the fish remain then regs (despite what they may say) will continue to play and take money from the fish. If the fish go the regs will follow very quickly.

Less regs, less nits and more hands per hour (per table) will help to cover some of this. Heck the fish may even win every now and then which will keep them playing for quite some time.

I'm sure you are correct in that the site will rake less for the immediate future but if they can attract more casual players to the site then the long term future may be better. 12+ tabling 9/7 nits don't generate that much rake, how many 55/3 type players do you need to cover them? (I have no idea btw?)

Short term profit does not equate to long term prosperity. Pokerstars is well established as the site to be on if you want to mass grind for rakeback/bonuses. 888 is trying to go down a different path and good luck to them. It might work it might not but I'm sure someone has done some projections and they must think 888 will be no worse off in the long term.

All the regs complain about these changes, which are designed to keep and attract more fish to the site, yet you will all jump ship and go elsewhere if the fish dry up.....I don't think 888 will be able to please you on this. I mean you should be grateful that 888 is thinking of ways to bring more fish to their site and then ultimately to your table.

Now if they could just come up with a security token and fix the table focus issue.......

I think the idea is to be able to cater to all player types, there should be bonuses to reward the loyal players and bonuses to encourage fish and new players. There should never be changes that compromise one over the other.

Like I said, you of course need to proactively find ways to encourage fish/new players, but 8 table limit isn't the way to go. Again, publicity and marketing such as the November 9 players are the way to go. Also, as I mentioned generously rewarding their existing players to encourage their friends to join is another (I know they already have a referral scheme but it's a little disappointing to say the least).

You are happy with the change because like you said, you are a recreational player, some people who play 10-12 tables won't be pleased with the change. As one previous poster mentioned, it now affects the amount of rake they can generate, which obviously mentions that it's hard to move up the VIP levels.

I completely understand that the changes will stick around for 888 to test the waters, but I seriously think that if we see a spike in traffic, it would be purely due to the November 9, not the table cap. As soon as the publicity dies down, I am sure we would see the traffic drop. One way or another, we will see a more even fish:reg ratio, but does that mean that more rake would be generated compared to before ... ?

Is the 888 client down at the moment? I am unable to connect to the client and unable to download it from http://au.888.com/

i didnt even know 888 had 2 sponsored players at the final table and I watched almost every minute of the main event so that didn't seem to be money well spent.

I'm not sure of the legalities surrounding Italian players...

3 day wait period, where you can cancel the cash out. Then usually 3-8 business days depending on the method you chose.

Cheers. Appreciate the help you and others offer to each other when I'm not around to answer right away.

Not down here.

Yeah, kind of unfortunate they went out 9th and 8th from a publicity POV.

Sam Holden had the 888 patch on the whole way. Not sure about Anton.

8 tables max on ring games?

what a ****ing joke, can't believe I'm about to hit VIP for the year and now this **** happens.

looks like I'll have to start looking for a new site to play on

if they want to speed up the play, get rid of the stupid jackpot. the ring games are waay to ****ing slow to only play 8. I'm honestly bored out of my ****ing mind 8 tabling, while talking on msn and posting here + I had time to go to the bathroom just then with only 1 time-out.

lulz

edit: also makes it harder to start tables since I can't sit empty ring games now, this is honestly the worst thing ever

double edit: wtf it applies to 6 max too?

this is like a bad dream

Stop bitching, 8 tables is just fine. Let's just hope it works as planned and we'll see tables with 2+ fish / 4- regs instead of tables with 1 fish / 5 regs that has been the standard for quite a while already. If it doesn't, well, no big deal, at least 888 tried.

And this is coming from someone who occasionally plays up to 20 tables. Regs bitching about it, nothing stops u from having multiple sites open and playing 50 tables if u so wish.

Also, fish getting bored cos multitabling regs are slowing things down with timebank etc, I dunno cos I never one-table like most rec plrs do, so no idea really how slow it feels like for them. Maybe 888 should do something more to encourage rec plrs to multitable as well, just have no idea how to approach that. "Open identical table" button is already there, dunno how often rec plrs actually happen to click it and therefore sit down on another table that just opened.

FWIW I personally pretty much never use the timebank, no matter how many tables I have open, It's just good to know that it is there, just in case.


Meanwhile, REMOVE THE ****ING PUSH/FOLD-TABLES ALREADY! They are non-arguably ruining the games more than anything else ever could.
AND ADD "WAIT FOR BIG BLIND-BUTTON" next to "Auto-post blinds" FFS!

Hi,

i want to give some important Feedback to the SuperTurbo Heads-Up SnGs.

First to my person:
I am German poker pro and poker book author playing at moment mainly heads-up SnGs on 888 Poker. I will be currently coach for an upcoming German/Austrian poker school.

Feedback:
I like 888 Poker very much and appreciate, that you have add superturbo SnGs now with 500 chips start stack in the lobby. It has now the same structure as on PokerStars.
The only problem is, and that keeps me away from playing them, the rake is definitely to high with 4%.
The structure from superturbo is extremely fast and also good players can create only a small edge.
On PokerStars the rake is from $100 to $1k between 1,9% and 1,1%. That is ok and beatable.
If you would reduce the rake to 2%, there would definitely way more action on the new superturbos. Regulars would battle each other, because it seems way more profitable.
It's also logical, that the rake is lower in supertubos then in normal turbos.


A statistic:
- Xereles, one of the best Heads-Up SnG players on an average buyin of $386 on PokerStars has this statistic on SharkScope (PokerStars):
Games: 18.939
Avg. Win: $5
Avg. Buyin $386
Avg. ROI: 2%
On 888 the rake is with $15.44 (4% from $386) more then $10 higher, then on PokerStars! (On PokerStars he pays ~1,4%, so ~ $5.40 for avg. buyin of $386)

So he would LOOSE $5 on average longterm instead of winning $5!

And I am talking about ONE OF THE BEST, not an avg. winning reg.

I could continue the list with some more regs, also the best superturbo reg in the wourld, skaiwallkurrr, has "only" 2% on the $1,000 level and would loose with 4% rake there.

So please chance this, at least to 2%! (that would be also more then PokerStars (1,1 - 1,9%), but beatable!).

Best Regards,

Waaaghbozz

+1 on waaagbozz's post. the structure is excellent but the rake is killing the profits

Regarding the '90 days'... This is NOT TRUE!! I have used the code being promoted by the 888 representative on this site and was only given 30 days. After contacting 'support' and eventually getting a response they state that the code is 30 days from deposit only. I replied providing them with a link to the quoted post, they said (after another loooong wait) that they are unable to visit the link (i presume for security reasons) and that the 30 day period stands. 888 software and support is a disgrace as soon as the bonus period ends 888 will not see me again!!! Awful.

First deposit bonus is 90 days.

Reload bonuses are 30 days.

This.

pls answer the post regarding your rake. Your rake is too high and your rakeback bonusses are too low.

Waaaghbozz


I would like to 2nd this post as well.

/deathNtaxes

+1 to HU PLO tables, was really surprised to see there are none.

lol they introduce a new limit, 15/30nl!!

wow awesome!

ohhh wait, there just more push or fold tables....

Nor sure if srs 888

Thanks for taking the time to write this up. I'll definitely use it to continue making the argument to reduce the rake.

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888Rep...from the UK here.

The debit card that I used to deposit is expiring this month, and my new card is waiting for me in the bank.

My account number is obviously the same.

Can I withdraw if I pick up this new card (which will obviously have a new card number)?

I've asked this question about 3 times, would love to know the answer too- want my money off LW before they go to the darkside that is I-Poker

Well have you considered it this way: Before I'd usually play 12-16 tables depending on my mood etc. So if there are 8 tables of my stakes in the lobby I'd join them all, and once the tables are filled I'd open a new table and try to start a game, and if that is filled I'd open another and another until I have enough tables going. Now with the change, I'm capped at 8 tables. So if there are 8 games going I'd join all the tables, and once they are filled well tough luck. I'm unable to start any new games. Is this really good for the casual players? I very rarely see casual players start tables or join waiting lists. So this might not be all too good for the fish, as there will be less regs starting tables as they are unable to have more tables open.


888Rep, I don't mean to complain too much. Obv you guys do a lot of good too, and I'm happy to see that the traffic has increased in the last year. One thing which annoys me pretty much is the pause between each hand in the jackpot tables. This is especially annoying if I start a table, since there is a delay between each hand since the software asks if we want to play it (and I don't even think you can play the jackpot heads-up). So if you for instance made it so that after you have folded you'd be ask if you want to participate then there there wouldn't me a pointless delay between hands. At the minimum you could remove the option when HU as it really slows the game down.

Also, when your management gets new ideas how to drastically change the games, couldn't you post in advance here and ask for players feedback? Just seems so sad that you have a good channel to communicate to the people who play the most at your site and instead we just need to be shocked when we log in. If you'd mention what changes you intend to do and why I'm certain that the players feedback would also be more positive since we might have a chance to influence those decisions and tell our opinions beforehand.

Any chance you could hook up the people who have participated with good ideas with tickets to the 100k Sunday challenge