2. Saying something in an email like "We found you've been accessing our site from within the US." or "Please explain your relationship with player ______" these are standard responses when these kind of actions have been taken regarding players accounts. If does not facilitate circumvention at all to make these kind of statements. Its actually just common courtesy considering how severe 888s actions have been.

I have to ask you something, Arnie. Why are 95% of your posts on 2+2 located in this thread and other 888 threads? Do you work for 888?

Im not sure.

Here's an email before I started posting ITT


Heres an email I received today, after posting negative stuff about 888 ITT


I just emailed back asking if that bolded statement meant they were confiscating my funds. Sounds like they are. IDK what changed their mind, maybe its because I'm posting negative stuff about 888 in this thread. We'll see if they respond to my email.

Anybody else get their funds confiscated or could you still withdraw them? There is a serious distinction in between both.

Update: They aren't confiscating my funds. That sentence in bold(above) meant I can't deposit money into the account and their decision to ban me is final

Thank you for letting me withdraw my funds, 888, but this is still absolute bs that you're banning people like me for no reason.

For the contrarians out there like Arnie-- take a look at my account on sharkscope. Name: 'burnJa' on 888. I played for 1 day when my friend transferred me some money to play. I don't really like playing multiple sites at once, so I never ended up grinding on 888. I've been living in Canada for a few years now playing on Pokerstars and my account has never been banned. In fact, I had a security issue last week with my Pokerstars account. I emailed them asking to investigate my IP and login history to make sure there wasn't failed login attempts from another location(I thought hackers had my account info and might have been trying to brute force my Pokerstars PIN) So ya Arnie, I don't break ToS. I don't use a VPN. I'm as legit as it gets

This guy is not American...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...7&postcount=68

He is 100% Belgian (no dual citizenship or anything) and this involves other non-Americans as well (if that really matters) but obviously some of you guys know everything. If you are a real professional poker player and not just a 2+2 grinder, this should disturb you greatly. I mean what if 888 acquires other poker networks or gets acquired? This ban could easily transfer and many of these people probably didn't deserve to be banned in the first place and in the future, they might suffer more consequences from it. If it can happen to a lot of these guys, it could happen to you. Maybe not now or on this network but another one if we accept this "you are banned and we don't have to explain" mentality as OK or normal. The online poker world is small enough and when you have fewer places to work, the worse it gets.

Instead of trolling and questioning the people who are likely victims of one-sided corporate BS, take that time and ask for answers from 888 as to why it happened because if they told you the truth, it might upset you, too. In this case, it could be as simple as person A (suspected cheater, vpn'er, or whatever) sent $X to person B and B sent $Y to person C and A-C get banned because 888 just does not want to deal with it or do a real investigation. Is this fair for B and especially C to get banned? What if you were C? Maybe it is 888's "right" to do this but that doesn't mean we should accept it. And, maybe if 888 was doing its due diligence and caught A earlier, there would be no B and C to get banned. Someday it could happen to you (you are C or even more innocent) and likely no one will be around to support you and you will just have a bunch of trolls launching accusations and laughing at you here (and man, will you deserve it).

I have no 888 account (and have no plans to now because of this). I am just appalled by this though. After all of the BS at FTP and UB, most real online poker players are sick of secrecy and shady things in the industry. Yeah, I am calling this shady until they give a full explanation because if it isn't, why not explain it and handle it openly. Until then, I definitely think it is. People deserve answers and the right to defend themselves especially when it affects their work. For some of you poker is just a hobby and recreation but for many people this is how they live so stop with accusations and the BS and ask for the truth from 888.

You are fighting a losing battle from the offset.

There is plenty of history throughout the years on this forum of 888 making decisions and sticking to them despite lots of protestations from 2+2 members.

People look at Stars and think that every other site should do the same as them. Maybe they should but the fact is that they don't. There are no players advocates to act as middlemen.......there isn't a support team who will reply to your emails within ten minutes if you have a pressing issue like this and there isn't the same senior presence on the forums from 888 management.

These players have been banned and there is literally nothing you can say or do to change that for the time being. If they are innocent then sure it sucks but if they are all pro poker players as you claim then they will not be short of a site to play on.......unless they have been banned elsewhere too of course.

I play on LuckyAcePoker, you're partners. Is there any difference to 888 or updates on 888 also update on LAP? I may be interested in changing from LAP to 888 if theres any advantage

Ya you're probably right, but here's why I'm still here.

10% because I might want to play a few games on 888 in the future
90% because the stupidity of this situation pisses me off, and I want new players be aware at how absurd 888 is for doing this.

And anyone who was actually cheating, in their minds they probably had a good reason for it and they're going to keep making new accounts anyways.

This is also why I'm here. 888 could be taking lots of food of my plate by doing this. Poker is how I survive.

There are only a few sites with decent MTT volume, losing 888 makes pretty big difference since all the players I know who were banned are professional tournament grinders.

This topic definitely needs to stay in the thread to warn new players.

888Rep, please clarify things:
Holdem Manager does not show stats (HUD) on SNAP tables, their support says you do not allow.
From the other side, Poker Tracker HUD works OK on same Snap tables.

so questions:
1) Is HUD allowed on Snap tables or not?
2) Do you have different HUD policy for Snap cash tables and Snap tourneys?
3) If answer (1) = no, then why PT still shows HUD? They are not aware of your policy?

HEM rep said that 888 asked them specifically not to support snap tables, I think it was on ps.com, and 888 rep probably won't/can't answer a question regarding another company.

nice dodge 888 rep!

Could it be that 888 are wanting to shrink the number of sharks?

They get together and think hmmm well if party are doing it (getting rid of sharks) maybe we should to. One quick way is to find all the US players who are located in places like mexico.

LOL from where did u get the idea that US players are sharks

It's pretty obvious that players that relocate to play poker are far from being recreationals.

Not a reason to ban anyone for winning, just makes 888 look more and more shady with **** like this not being replied to from a decent rep.

Out them for breaking the rules or keep this secret and force everyone to have 0 confidence in investing time and money on your site.

I'm not saying all US players are sharks. Just ones that relocate to play poker.

Poker rooms don't like too many sharks. This has been shown on numerous occasions with several sites.

Anyway it was just an thought that popped into my head. I wouldn't actually bet on it being the reason.....unless given good odds

What rule are they breaking?

I think it sucks they are doing this, but they can choose who they allow or don't allow to play on their site.

I meant that it's better for their image if they went public to say that those accounts broke a certain rule and that is why they are being banned.
Being a winner is not a reason and obv that is not why they all got banned, but 888 rep is not being transparent about this.

I think all of us are curious about the silence on this bans... 888 Rep, you have something for us?

I'm not the slightest bit curious about the silence.

As someone who has been reading this thread for a couple of years, silence is exactly what I would expect. Any comment coming from management would be an extreme change in policy.

Someone asked if I work for 888. What a joke! Just because I'm able to think about this issue from both sides doesn't make me a "contrarian". You only need to put yourself in the position of the 888 manager in charge of this issue and you would rapidly come to the conclusion that silence is the best choice.

Yes, it sucks to be banned, but ranting here is a foolish waste of time and its time to put an end to this thread derail.

So many foolish comments in these recent posts, it isn't worth the time pointing them all out.

Yeah, tons of players will read your comments here and boycott the site. Sure they will...

whs ^

not curious because your account is fine, or you dont play poker for a living

why do you dedicate so much time to this thread if you arent affiliated with 888 in some way?

silence is not the best choice when people have been wronged. are you a sheep?

i do agree with you tho, this is probably a waste of time. but w/e

comments ITT prolly wont do anything, but hopefully some poker media, like pokernews/pokerfuse/pokerscout, picks up on this story, writes an article, and posts it on a website that gets alot of views

This issue has already been reported by many of the top poker media sites.

The reason some of us are just shrugging our shoulders who use 888 as our primary poker site is that this is not a surprise. This is unfortunately how they always operate.

They regularly take extreme actions without explanation? If yes, are you guys okay with this? If not, why do you continue to play there?

I haven't seen any articles written about this, and I'm having a hard time finding them. Could you PM me the links to these articles or you could post them ITT

or in this thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...twork-1442716/