You've made a few assertions here based on your own assumptions. Some things are easier to implement than other things.

Are you saying that sites which claim to have monitoring in place to detect collusion are unable to monitor for this blatant form of cheating? Given that monitoring is already in place, it should be easy to add additional rules. How much confidence should we have in monitoring if this is not the case?

The fundamental issue is how tables are started. The current system which is used at nearly all sites has major flaws which the major sites have not addressed. Finding a better way of doing this may not be easy to implement. However, the current way works so poorly, I think any other way would have to be better. Having a way of starting tables while eliminating tables where no hands are being dealt is not impossible, imo, and would solve so many of these problems.

The fact that PokerStars hasn't solved this problem means that 888 has a opppotunity to distinguish itself and make a huge step forward.

It has been like this for a long time. 888 said they would do something against it years ago but nothing has ever been done. Orionmaster (st1ckman) used to do this years ago on FLHE and I doubt he will ever change.

As other people said, this is something 888 can stand out with. It will take some effort in the beginning but it won't take long before everybody knows the rules and follow them, even the worst offenders like st1ckman. (A few years ago Party had the same problem, but within 2 weeks (and lots of warnings) everybody followed the rules and the lobby was a lot cleaner/fairer)

drgoogle is also extremely annoying constantly just taking up a seat and rarely plays sits out all the time

Huge fail 888

catering to the regs who btch and moan on here about players who sit out until a game starts is beyond pathetic

all you morons did was give 888 a reason to single out whoever they want now, congrats

there's no solution for who sits where and when other than foolish regs punting off rake playing each other HU until the games fill BUT THEY WOULD AND DO ANYWAY without regs playing HU

how are you this dumb....

Hi msfiera

[ ] punting off rake

Just because YOU'RE not capable of winning money vs. anyone who isn't a huge whale doesn't mean the rest of us aren't. Also, games fill faster when regs are playing HU than they do when regs are sitting out. Fish are more likely to sit in a game that is running. If you don't want to play HU then don't sit at the table. Problem solved.

omg 1 of the 43059384509 droolers found a 16k (LOL) hand sample he's proud of

post the results of everyone else, including 888's mgr, and you'll see what a moron you are


also, MMD. nope. not even close.

patently false. just because you want something to be true, does not make it true in realityland.

fyp

It's every HU hand I've played to start 6-max tables on 888, how big do you expect the sample to be? And it's beside the point anyway; which is if you're table camping you're breaking the rules and you're gonna be reported. Also, LOL @ you, 888 doesn't have HU cash tables.

then go play HU elsewhere obv. (edit: better yet, whine on here until 888 opens HU tbls, which will obv work)

there is no need to play HU to start tables ainec. games start without it all day long. the only reason it's now "against the rules" on 888 is to appease droolers like you but

the reason it has not been "solved" before now and the reason this "solution" is LOL are both the same. it's not fixable. if it were, then it would've been long ago.

this is what poker is. the weak $ trickles to the top. flinging it between each other at the top is laughable at best. if you want to do it, that's your problem.

not only is there no evidence that games dont start/start slower(?) without regs playing HU but there is more than enough evidence on the contrary

all your whining has done has given 888 and extra reason to single out accounts to close. congrats. you're dumber than you'll ever know.

Yeah, why would I ever want to play tough competition and improve my game? That's gotta be a waste of time and couldn't possibly have a positive affect on my future earnings.

We disagree on this but it doesn't matter. The point in banning table camping isn't that it slows down the start of games, it's that it creates a predatory atmosphere that reduces enjoyment for casual players. Lol if you think 888 did this because regs complained about it. They cater to casual players; remember this next time someone throws a tomato at you.

888 closing accounts of players like you would be a great thing for poker.

let me fill you in on a secret. those days are over. they've been over since the US needlessly destroyed 25%+ of the intl market overnight.

if you want to get better at HU then go play somewhere that offers HU

if you want to get better at 6max then move in up stakes

it's not a subjective topic. you either know or you don't

888 did this to look after the recreational player not cater for the moaning regs.

Most of that money is from me Tim

LOLOLOL look at the bad reg crying hahahaha

I mean i don't even need to know your SN to realize how bad a reg you are. How could you be a reg with a brain when you can't even:

a) Read a HEM SS to realize it's not filtered
b) Use your brain to realize 16k HU hands starting tables is quite a large sample

how about this, douchebag? If you want to sit out on 6m tables until a player with literally no brain joins so you can be sure you're not gonna lose money (b/c that's how bad you are), go play on a site that allows it.

If you want to sit at tables rather than play poker, go to a café.

If you want to get better at 6max...well you don't, you just want to camp and take the easy way out.

Let me fill you in on a secret. That's what regs who can't keep up with the games say when they cry themselves to sleep. People are still winning 10s of Ks per month at SSNL on Stars yet you're complaining that you can't camp on one of the softest sites on the internet? ROFL, that's just pathetic mate

<3 jah

for every 1 of you egotards there are 10 regs who don't waste their hourly playing each other HU and as a result have WAY more money than you

also, for every 1 of you egotards who posts their HU heater over an lol small sample (rofl at acting like 16k is a lot, you realize hands go faster HU?) there are at least as many who are instead quietly lurking because they didn't run as well as you did though they very well could be as good or better than you

this is not new debate. who is better? bumhunter with 4x higher winrate or reg's reg who can outplay anyone on their best day?

if you play for ego and following the pathetic excuses of these egotard droolers, definitely play each other HU

if you play for $, congrats. when the egotards are broke telling their stakers how good they are you'll be happy you didn't follow the crowd into a hole like they did

The problem from what I see is that the campers will now use the seating scripts would have more sense if 888 ban scripts too cause now we will just have a situation with many 1/6 player tables. The decision is a really good one just I am afraid the consequences will be different than most here imagine.

It's not about regs battling heads up, it's about the predatory atmosphere it creates when people are sat out waiting for a fish. It's about the edge you guys gain from doing this and abusing the sit out feature.

It's not about dick swinging between regs or who has the highest win rate. It's about keeping the ecosystem healthier which benefits everyone. It amazes me how you're so short sighted. Why don't you tell us who you are?

+1 Nice one

+1

888, THANK YOU for taking action on this problem. This will make your poker room much more inviting for both recreational and professional poker players.

(888 sent out a bunch of e-mails to table campers today warning them/threatening ban -- it's actually working, with a very clean lobby today)

You are completely missing the point with your bloated ego. As was already stated before, it has nothing do with regs complaining and everything to do with the overall ecology. 888 has been one of the few operators who has actually shown constant growth lately on the poker segment while focusing on rec players (obviously because of marketing in UK as well).
You seem not to understand that the room is not there for you to have the biggest edge over rec players and to cash out as much as possible from the overall liquidity. The rec players are customers as well and it actually takes ****loads of effort to keep them playing for a better churn, when they are bleeding money in cash games, not knowing what hit them.

There's still a possibility to allow one player to open only one new table on each limit. Sure, there're plenty of "players" who will sit on six limits but there's solution for this too:
Let's say, one can only be sitting on one table alone if he's not actively playing on other. Problem (partially) solved, isn't it?

Of course but what we don't want is to let the campers use another loophole. till now they were table camping now they will have 6 tables with 1/6 players open with seating script turned on. So as long as 888 doesn't address it too there won't be anything solved.
They will still table camp just in a different way.

and when 2 regs play HU til a fish sits then autoseaters insta wrap regs around fish that makes it less predatory than if one reg was sitting in and one was sitting out? how are you this dumb?

long ago the misconception was founded that regs need play HU to somehow keep games/environment "healthy" but there is no good reason to believe that is true

by believing what you are saying, at best, you are following the leader (who happens to be another clueless egotard)

oh but it is. not only clarified by Tim's 1st response and all his fanboys but also (and much more importantly) by the absolute origin of this debate, likely years before you were introduced to this site

this new "rule" does not "fix" this ainec

this is what poker is, always has been, and always will be. we hunt fis. sitting out or not.

even if it weren't for you morons whining to the 888 rep on here about sitting out in 6max tbls til games fill then yes, there would be some fish who would email in the same complaints.

just like there will be fish who emails complaints about auto seating. and bad beats. and short stacks running worse than deep stacks.

what will 888 do to ease their worries about those?

shocking how clueless most of you are

obviously, which is most of what made the btching and moaning in this thread so laughably pathetic....until 888 proved themselves even more foolish by responding this way