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05-12-2023 , 05:49 AM
I have to admire the bravery of putting out massive GTD prizepools like that on a new site. Aren't you worried of massive overlays?
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05-12-2023 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Heytch
Unfortunately not yet Jaydeef. High on our list of licenses of interest but is quite a complex one, so likely 2024

As our Ts & Cs only address a few prohibited territories and not those who are pending license, I will share those we will address with local licensing over the coming months and years;

Blocked (pending license)

- Belgium
- Bulgaria
- Estonia
- Denmark
- France
- Germany
- Italy
- Netherlands
- Ontario
- Portugal
- Romania
- Spain
- Sweden
- UK
- US (state by state)

I wish Australia was on that list but remains not open for Poker with sports betting only. We won’t put any of these on our 2 global licenses.

We will prioritize those we can get to market quickly, AND those permitted for play within a global liquidity.

Most of the rest of world are open.

Current list of countries open is 164. We will hit 170 when operationally ready to open a few extra Asian and Chinese speaking territories.
You don't need to be licensed in Sweden if you have EU license. As long as you don't target Swedish players (swedish website, client localization) it will be better. Then we can enjoy your site without being restricted by swedish regulations.

As an example, when PokerStars got swedish license we lost the rakeback, which wouldn't have happened if they did not get a swedish license.
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05-12-2023 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER


.... addition

4-max Sit & Go are now deployed is there a promotion alongside?

So... going to try a Happy Hour to start with.

At this time, every day, with no expiry (as long as there is interest) we will give a bunch of players at every SNG level a chance at getting a full buy-in back, win, lose or money-back.
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05-12-2023 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Vanhaomena
I have to admire the bravery of putting out massive GTD prizepools like that on a new site. Aren't you worried of massive overlays?
They are happening already, yep and we budgeted for it. Being such a liquidity-based game and competitive this time of the year. Have to give people a reason to play. Been pleased enough to be seeing 78 and 82 entries in a $1k buy-in event, even if we did "need" 100 entries.

plenty of time for the business to do well, as long as people are joining and registering and playing, while we build
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05-12-2023 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyRare
You don't need to be licensed in Sweden if you have EU license. As long as you don't target Swedish players (swedish website, client localization) it will be better. Then we can enjoy your site without being restricted by swedish regulations.

As an example, when PokerStars got swedish license we lost the rakeback, which wouldn't have happened if they did not get a swedish license.
Lucky enough to have a Swede as our general counsel and regulatory expert. Shall discuss.
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05-12-2023 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Heytch
So... going to try a Happy Hour to start with.

At this time, every day, with no expiry (as long as there is interest) we will give a bunch of players at every SNG level a chance at getting a full buy-in back, win, lose or money-back.
The time of day actually sucks for me - but will hop in whenever I can
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05-13-2023 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
The time of day actually sucks for me - but will hop in whenever I can
Seemed to suck for everyone yesterday!

Will monitor and may go back to 4pm ET if it just doesn’t work for people. It’s hard to give away free cash sometimes
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05-19-2023 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Heytch
The decision to reduce our guarantee to $1.25M was not taken easily or lightly, but our $10K buy-in is bringing with it some risk that we were not willing to accept so early in our life, as an operator hoping to be in for the space for a long time. We’ve said from the start that we’re going to try to be as transparent as possible and also listen to the playing community. I ‘d like to think that this post reflects our commitment to both.

The main and obvious risk to offering a guarantee over $2.5M today is financial, and we'll make no secret that the scale of expected overlay into a single Super High Roller event will put pressure on our business in only its second month of tournament operations, that is simply not sensible. Furthermore and a major consideration was our uncertainty in being able to deliver the development and configuration in time for full testing, to ensure we can even successfully run a 3-day event. The risk of the event not working perfectly is not one worth taking, so with these things combined we decided to change the structure and reduce it to a 2-day event, and where we have successfully already run a tournament (last weekend).

I’ll openly share some notes around this;

• We ran very few satellites so far to this event and most of the value has been in added money. We also wanted to take any such decision as early as possible. Changes to events is not uncommon and happens in our space... If we do it, we'd prefer it wasn't a surprise on the day of, or even week-of.
• We contacted the TWO players registered about this. They were given the option of staying in the new event (with over $1M Guarantee) or provided with a buy-in refund. Pleasing to already have 3 players registered in the event since the change.
• We consulted with members of our Pro Committee who are the most likely players in said event – something we established for key decisions and changes. The general feedback was that this was a sound business decision.
• We will still be offering $4M in Guarantees in May. We are not trying to make a saving of the difference in guarantee, but rather spread the spend across the month. The $1.5M GTD difference will be invested throughout other events in May to give more players at more levels and limits the opportunity to play, and also give us more $1k and $5k events.
• We decided at the same time to still offer players tremendous Sunday value through our 21st May $500K GTD event ($320 buy-in). This is going to overlay significantly but this wasn’t just about overlays. We’ve knowingly and happily put tournaments out to overlay thus far.
• We finished our first month of MTTs with well over $100k+ in overlays, and already over $150k in the first week of May, that has been honoured and paid out.
• A $1.25M guarantee on the 28th remains no small feat. We require 125 Super High Roller level entries. For a site in just its second full month of tournament operations, I believe that to be unprecedented in our industry. We will continue to satellite many players into it this month, and I’d love see a recreational player take it down.
• And finally but critically, we’ve been getting messages such as this – https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...4&postcount=62 – requesting that we reintroduce our smaller daily guarantees instead of the feeder satellites that we’d need to run to make that $2.5m guarantee anyway near viable. We’re still getting up and running, finding our feet and what’s best for our players. Our Daily schedule and guarantees will grow and stretch.

We believe everything we’ve done to-date is with best of intent, and we will continue to do so.

To your comment about ethics or guarantee advertising, we won’t be hiding when the going gets tough. It is worth reminding that we are offering Freeroll satellites up into $500k GTD; $1k and $5k buy-in events, and for as little as $110 into the $10k buy-in - and will continue to do so, while ever people support what we are doing. I would be surprised if you are able to Freeroll up into a GG Masters HIGH/SUPER or Sunday Million, let alone a SCOOP-H. For any step satellite or freeroll players trying to break through, they will need to make a call for themselves if still willing and interested to do so, with $2M still on the table for Sundays in May.

We’re doing our best to be different, and hopefully better, but this was a necessary risk-based decision to ensure we can safely and smartly continue to do so.

Have you now pulled the plug on the $320 $500k guarantee a few days before the event was going to start?
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05-19-2023 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SendIt22
Have you now pulled the plug on the $320 $500k guarantee a few days before the event was going to start?

I spoke with support a short time ago.

Event is cancelled and a replacement freeroll ($30K) has been added.
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05-21-2023 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
I spoke with support a short time ago.

Event is cancelled and a replacement freeroll ($30K) has been added.
Yeah i'll reply to you, not whoever this pest is taking the trolling interest in us.

We are all pretty devastated, but such is life as a startup still effectively building in BETA. Living and breathing this project for a year plus many of us.

Wasn't much fun realising after Thursday's release and regression that we don't have the confidence to even run a 1500 entry event given the product has been successfully tested to death at 12,000+ players. Sooner this week run a freeoll where all the risk is ours, and get things tip-top for the 10K buy-in next Sunday.

Will make sure after the World Series that we bring back some events at these buy-in levels, with similar huge value for our early adopters.

Trust that any/all players impacted will not feel too aggrieved and appreciate knowing that we will always be generous if things change, either within or outside of our control. Everyone has been compensated quickly and fairly, and as you've noted we invested some of the expected Overlay into a straight cash freeroll for all to play. We can't restrict entries to that, and not sure we'd want to anyways, as many of our players had at least one go at the Main Event freeroll.

Seeing how well things have improved the last couple of days, I'd be pretty confident cancellations will very quickly become a thing of the past, as we grow our schedule of enticing events for players at all levels.
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05-21-2023 , 04:50 AM
Think the vast majority will understand the above.

Is there any date set for the Go4Pro event?
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05-21-2023 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Think the vast majority will understand the above.

Is there any date set for the Go4Pro event?
Sunday, June 4 mate.

The downside of messing with releases in a busy events month, but the some of the stuff we needed in last week's release for us to launch that (i.e. restricted tournaments, mass auto-reg, manual registration to name a few) - all Go4Pro tournament stuff.

It was to go up Friday if everything worked as intended. Hope to send the event live tomorrow (Monday) or Tuesday now.

Hope you go deep! would be awesome to spend a week with some of the players that have been with us since Day 1 in Vegas.
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05-21-2023 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Heytch
Sunday, June 4 mate.

The downside of messing with releases in a busy events month, but the some of the stuff we needed in last week's release for us to launch that (i.e. restricted tournaments, mass auto-reg, manual registration to name a few) - all Go4Pro tournament stuff.

It was to go up Friday if everything worked as intended. Hope to send the event live tomorrow (Monday) or Tuesday now.

Hope you go deep! would be awesome to spend a week with some of the players that have been with us since Day 1 in Vegas.

Had it in my head it would be Sunday 4th, thank you!

I could think of worse places than Vegas to be in mid-July lol!
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05-22-2023 , 03:28 PM
The Daily $22 doesn't have a satellite like all the other Daily events - is this a mistake?
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06-01-2023 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by anuj22
Do you have any plans to launch in India any soon?
@anuj22 - we had a few other development priorities take over, but have finally opened India in time for Sunday's World Series Freeroll.

This is with exception for a few states, as we continue to get some legal opinion;

Telangana
Tamil Nadu
Gujarat
Andhra Pradesh
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06-01-2023 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
The Daily $22 doesn't have a satellite like all the other Daily events - is this a mistake?
Sorry for some reason I didn't get my normal subscriber email to have seen this sooner. It was eventually added so thanks if that was because of you on 4Forum!

We are learning from the daily schedule every day and looking to make further improvements for June, which will be effective June 5th, once we get through the Go4Pro event. Should be entirely positive changes - i.e. giving away more seats into some small target events and getting some more interesting satellites - i.e. into bigger Sunday MEGA events (to bigger guarantees). Watch this space.
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06-01-2023 , 05:20 PM
Nice, thank you.

Not been playing much lately due to other commitments.

I see the schedule expanded towards the very late evening UTC....

Is there any hope it could expand the other way into the early afternoon or even morning or is it not quite there liquidity wise?
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06-02-2023 , 02:40 AM
No worries at all. Hope you take your shot at the World Series seat Sunday.

Appreciate life takes over and summer is almost here too

Goal remains to get to decent 24/7 schedule. As you touched on though we have limited liquidity to offer any sort of guarantee earlier at the moment we have more players from South America than we do Eastern Europe and Asia so haven’t extended (yet).

Two months of relatively soft launching behind us now, so we’ll keep building and get to a better offering to start putting some marketing and affiliates in, from some of those countries
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06-04-2023 , 04:13 PM
Sigh, the auto registration really didn't help me and I blinded out before I got home. GL to everyone still in it!
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06-05-2023 , 12:19 PM
What kind of traffic is there for NL cash on the site?
Which stakes run?
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06-06-2023 , 03:22 AM
Been almost non-existent, in what has been a relatively soft-launch.

Currently working on a cash leaderboard for our tournament regulars to get some reward for side action and will look to add some affiliates and agents end of summer to bring some traffic specific to cash games.
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06-07-2023 , 10:55 PM
ok, ty for the info.

Is there a way to get notified of when the cash games will commence, instead of having to keep checking?
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06-14-2023 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaznin
ok, ty for the info.

Is there a way to get notified of when the cash games will commence, instead of having to keep checking?
Hey Jaznin,

Assuming you're registered - we will be looking to send a mailer before weekend around putting our first promotion around cash games. Hopefully see some uptick from there.
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06-14-2023 , 04:59 AM
Quickest of note to say that now we are up and going, things are heavier on my side than ever in terms of steering the ship!

Going to ask couple from my team to check into here periodically, otherwise registered players - reach me and the team at our own website's 4Forum (best accessed via the desktop client 4POKER Support link). I won't be able to spread myself too thin. Thanks all for the engagement here.
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06-16-2023 , 03:43 PM
Vpn allowed?
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