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05-03-2023 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mozzek
Hey, are you going to try to get a license in the Czech Republic? If not what is your stance on a player located in a prohibited country connecting via VPN? Perma ban + funds confiscation?
Yeah although live in Slovakia we will wait until license for the Czech Republic.

VPN use is not prohibited but will require normal expected due diligence and ID at various triggers (eg Withdrawal or to use Peer2Peer transfer).

We will monitor VPN usage in the case of investigations (eg AML, Fraud) and in protection of such regulation.

Bans and Confiscation should be extremely rare and not something I connect to location. Our biggest focus as a brand is ensuring a fair game, and we will confiscate or ban any bad actors in game integrity.

Beyond collusion and multi-accounting etc, check out this page for what is prohibited in terms of 3rd party stuff:

https://4poker.eu/prohibited-software
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05-03-2023 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Heytch
Really sorry to hear that and will report into our poker ops team! Same day response should be worst-case on the forum… has been a bit mad for everyone in our small team, getting ready for May.

Regarding Daily’s - it’s ever changing as we learn from and respond to what is happening to our events while our schedule is new and liquidity is building.

One of the big factors is awaiting next release to get some filters into our lobby so people can better manage what they want to see. Hard for all of satellite, low, medium and super high roller to coexist at the moment, but that will be fixed soon.

One of our other goals for May is that we really want to try and get as many of our lower stake now regulars as possible into one of the big events in May. With our May Sunday majors beyond bullish and generous, we think we can form a really good field size where everyone who joined in April can get a fair crack at an entry!

If the much smaller daily GTD events prove popular of course we will consider returning them through the month once we have filters so those who wish to focus on the bigger events, still can clearly and easily.

Look out for the 44 to be added to the Main Event & High Roller soon too, as that should be a decent overlay opportunity if not just overall good value.
Rather disappointing pivot.

I appreciate the sentiment in allowing low-stakes players to grind into big events for relatively small stakes or even freerolls.

From a personal POV, I have no interest in doing this - I don't want to be crushed by Arthur, Ole or Bryn or whomever - I'd rather play low buy-in/ GTD events with players of my own skill or capabilities that are over and out in <2 hours.

That said, the site isn't built around my wishes that's my 0.02 cent worth in any case!

Hope some dailies return and I'll be back.
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05-03-2023 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Heytch
Really sorry to hear that and will report into our poker ops team! Same day response should be worst-case on the forum… has been a bit mad for everyone in our small team, getting ready for May.
On that subject, you may wish to have a strong word....



6 days awaiting approval for a post

.... addition

4-max Sit & Go are now deployed is there a promotion alongside?

Last edited by UPAY4DINNER; 05-03-2023 at 06:49 AM. Reason: added 2nd point.
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05-03-2023 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
On that subject, you may wish to have a strong word....



6 days awaiting approval for a post

.... addition

4-max Sit & Go are now deployed is there a promotion alongside?

Ah OK, it's got stuck somewhere before It's even a post.

Will resolve.
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05-03-2023 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Rather disappointing pivot.

I appreciate the sentiment in allowing low-stakes players to grind into big events for relatively small stakes or even freerolls.

From a personal POV, I have no interest in doing this - I don't want to be crushed by Arthur, Ole or Bryn or whomever - I'd rather play low buy-in/ GTD events with players of my own skill or capabilities that are over and out in <2 hours.

That said, the site isn't built around my wishes that's my 0.02 cent worth in any case!

Hope some dailies return and I'll be back.
Maybe not YOUR wishes... but collective wishes certainly. thanks for the feedback. If we are going to be by the players, 4 the players, we will be listening to the players. Will for sure pass on your feedback.
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05-03-2023 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Rather disappointing pivot.

I appreciate the sentiment in allowing low-stakes players to grind into big events for relatively small stakes or even freerolls.

From a personal POV, I have no interest in doing this - I don't want to be crushed by Arthur, Ole or Bryn or whomever - I'd rather play low buy-in/ GTD events with players of my own skill or capabilities that are over and out in <2 hours.

That said, the site isn't built around my wishes that's my 0.02 cent worth in any case!

Hope some dailies return and I'll be back.

Heard from Dave our ultimate lead of all things Poker and he said back next week for some Dailys when we have filters. Can let the lobby grow a bit at all levels when better tooling for players.
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05-03-2023 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
On that subject, you may wish to have a strong word....



6 days awaiting approval for a post

.... addition

4-max Sit & Go are now deployed is there a promotion alongside?

Pre-approval for posts on 4FORUM is being removed.
Maybe only one voice you are on these things, but every view is important!

4-MAX is a watch this space.

Discussing promotion ideas that don't conflict with our MTT focus in May, but one thing is for sure before we have Jackpot SNG and/or fully integrated (SuperNova like) loyalty system - where SNG will no doubt become more prominent - we want to try 4-handed as our format of choice.

Not laziness because we are called "4" but speedy format, less liquidity sensitive, with 3x buy-in up top and money back for second, we think is pretty nice.
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05-06-2023 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Heytch

VPN use is not prohibited but will require normal expected due diligence and ID at various triggers (eg Withdrawal or to use Peer2Peer transfer).

We will monitor VPN usage in the case of investigations (eg AML, Fraud) and in protection of such regulation.

Bans and Confiscation should be extremely rare and not something I connect to location.
So we can VPN in from Australia as long as we never cash out?
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05-07-2023 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Kalaea
So we can VPN in from Australia as long as we never cash out?
More a case of an Australian being able to play abroad as long you have a residence in Asia or NZ! Let’s hope we get some common sense regulation for poker in Oz soon enough. Been a long time coming
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05-07-2023 , 05:36 PM
Hi, what's your PLO4 action like during your peak hours. Have you got many full tables greater than PLO400?
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05-08-2023 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bouglas
Hi, what's your PLO4 action like during your peak hours. Have you got many full tables greater than PLO400?
There is no PLO yet.
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05-08-2023 , 07:47 AM
Please not another week of these step satellites...

Please add some daily guarantee regular NLH MTTs
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05-09-2023 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bouglas
Hi, what's your PLO4 action like during your peak hours. Have you got many full tables greater than PLO400?
We haven't launched Omaha as yet and will wait until we get through May and World Series (Go4Pro Freeroll) now to do so.

We are looking to have an accompanying High Stakes Club to go with it as a product (with its own rake profile, accessibility and other features), as some of the raking of these events elsewhere is insane.
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05-09-2023 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Please not another week of these step satellites...

Please add some daily guarantee regular NLH MTTs
Daily’s are back.

Will make the Sunday guarantee a bit juicier for these and get some satellites and MEGAs going in due course too.
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05-10-2023 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Heytch
Daily’s are back.

Will make the Sunday guarantee a bit juicier for these and get some satellites and MEGAs going in due course too.
Yes they are



Thank you!
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05-10-2023 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Yes they are



Thank you!
Legendary stuff.

Requests...
Delivers
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05-10-2023 , 11:00 AM
Hopefully it can bring more options to the Australian market, rake is so high for live here
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05-10-2023 , 05:51 PM
Why did you reduce the guarantee of the High Roller on 28th May?

This seems highly unethical given that you have already been running sats for this event. Players might have only played the sats because of the previously advertised 'guarantee'.
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05-10-2023 , 11:58 PM
Will you have heads up cash tables?
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05-11-2023 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SendIt22
Why did you reduce the guarantee of the High Roller on 28th May?

This seems highly unethical given that you have already been running sats for this event. Players might have only played the sats because of the previously advertised 'guarantee'.
The decision to reduce our guarantee to $1.25M was not taken easily or lightly, but our $10K buy-in is bringing with it some risk that we were not willing to accept so early in our life, as an operator hoping to be in for the space for a long time. We’ve said from the start that we’re going to try to be as transparent as possible and also listen to the playing community. I ‘d like to think that this post reflects our commitment to both.

The main and obvious risk to offering a guarantee over $2.5M today is financial, and we'll make no secret that the scale of expected overlay into a single Super High Roller event will put pressure on our business in only its second month of tournament operations, that is simply not sensible. Furthermore and a major consideration was our uncertainty in being able to deliver the development and configuration in time for full testing, to ensure we can even successfully run a 3-day event. The risk of the event not working perfectly is not one worth taking, so with these things combined we decided to change the structure and reduce it to a 2-day event, and where we have successfully already run a tournament (last weekend).

I’ll openly share some notes around this;

• We ran very few satellites so far to this event and most of the value has been in added money. We also wanted to take any such decision as early as possible. Changes to events is not uncommon and happens in our space... If we do it, we'd prefer it wasn't a surprise on the day of, or even week-of.
• We contacted the TWO players registered about this. They were given the option of staying in the new event (with over $1M Guarantee) or provided with a buy-in refund. Pleasing to already have 3 players registered in the event since the change.
• We consulted with members of our Pro Committee who are the most likely players in said event – something we established for key decisions and changes. The general feedback was that this was a sound business decision.
• We will still be offering $4M in Guarantees in May. We are not trying to make a saving of the difference in guarantee, but rather spread the spend across the month. The $1.5M GTD difference will be invested throughout other events in May to give more players at more levels and limits the opportunity to play, and also give us more $1k and $5k events.
• We decided at the same time to still offer players tremendous Sunday value through our 21st May $500K GTD event ($320 buy-in). This is going to overlay significantly but this wasn’t just about overlays. We’ve knowingly and happily put tournaments out to overlay thus far.
• We finished our first month of MTTs with well over $100k+ in overlays, and already over $150k in the first week of May, that has been honoured and paid out.
• A $1.25M guarantee on the 28th remains no small feat. We require 125 Super High Roller level entries. For a site in just its second full month of tournament operations, I believe that to be unprecedented in our industry. We will continue to satellite many players into it this month, and I’d love see a recreational player take it down.
• And finally but critically, we’ve been getting messages such as this – https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...4&postcount=62 – requesting that we reintroduce our smaller daily guarantees instead of the feeder satellites that we’d need to run to make that $2.5m guarantee anyway near viable. We’re still getting up and running, finding our feet and what’s best for our players. Our Daily schedule and guarantees will grow and stretch.

We believe everything we’ve done to-date is with best of intent, and we will continue to do so.

To your comment about ethics or guarantee advertising, we won’t be hiding when the going gets tough. It is worth reminding that we are offering Freeroll satellites up into $500k GTD; $1k and $5k buy-in events, and for as little as $110 into the $10k buy-in - and will continue to do so, while ever people support what we are doing. I would be surprised if you are able to Freeroll up into a GG Masters HIGH/SUPER or Sunday Million, let alone a SCOOP-H. For any step satellite or freeroll players trying to break through, they will need to make a call for themselves if still willing and interested to do so, with $2M still on the table for Sundays in May.

We’re doing our best to be different, and hopefully better, but this was a necessary risk-based decision to ensure we can safely and smartly continue to do so.

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05-11-2023 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Megloooo
Will you have heads up cash tables?
We won't have Heads-up tables but a lot of our cash due to start-up level low liquidity is heads-up, and we will continue to make heads-up play Rake Free.
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05-11-2023 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Heytch
• And finally but critically, we’ve been getting messages such as this – https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...4&postcount=62 – requesting that we reintroduce our smaller daily guarantees instead of the feeder satellites that we’d need to run to make that $2.5m guarantee anyway near viable. We’re still getting up and running, finding our feet and what’s best for our players. Our Daily schedule and guarantees will grow and stretch.
On that note, thank you for the Daily $4.40 additions.

Due to recent car trouble, my bankroll has been decimated - appreciate that you added another micro - will join them when I can.
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05-11-2023 , 10:38 AM
I posted a bug in the forum a few weeks back and it's gone unnoticed.

Cross-posting here:

Can you please fix it so that players sitting out cannot win when they are all in for their last chips. This is how it is on Stars and GG Poker and indeed live poker.
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05-12-2023 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
On that note, thank you for the Daily $4.40 additions.

Due to recent car trouble, my bankroll has been decimated - appreciate that you added another micro - will join them when I can.
No rush and thanks for your support. Daily’s are here to stay, and we’re going to start giving away some cash back to 4-MAX players in the afternoon too. Will do extra winners at the micro and low levels
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05-12-2023 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
I posted a bug in the forum a few weeks back and it's gone unnoticed.

Cross-posting here:

Can you please fix it so that players sitting out cannot win when they are all in for their last chips. This is how it is on Stars and GG Poker and indeed live poker.
Will pass on to Dave that the hands aren’t mucking… and clearly I need to get more eyes on 4Forum.
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