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Old 06-14-2021, 12:05 AM   #34276
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Anyone here know of a spot for 50NL-200NL Blitz regs? I'd be interested in chatting it up with some of the people I'm battling with and I know some of them must be here. Is there a thread or discord anyone is aware of?
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Old 06-14-2021, 09:37 PM   #34277
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Everyday lately it seems it's getting worse with the table movements. I just moved 3 times in 20 minutes to a table with 4 or less players for one hand. With over 1,000 people remaining it seriously makes no sense how it keeps happening. Anyone have an understanding of why it happens on here, but I don't see it elsewhere.
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Old 06-14-2021, 10:11 PM   #34278
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Everyday lately it seems it's getting worse with the table movements. I just moved 3 times in 20 minutes to a table with 4 or less players for one hand. With over 1,000 people remaining it seriously makes no sense how it keeps happening. Anyone have an understanding of why it happens on here, but I don't see it elsewhere.
This happens to me as well. Another thing that happens for me around half the time is the delay in cards being dealt in mtts after a hand ends. It is taking around 5 seconds before they are dealt but my cash tables I’m playing simultaneously are dealt instantly after a hand is over. It’s very odd
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Old 06-15-2021, 01:42 AM   #34279
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what's up man.. I play a decent amount of 200 blitz (bvog21.) whats ur sn?
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Old 06-15-2021, 10:24 AM   #34280
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And the serious volume I posted of 100k-250k a month is not a hypothetical grinder. It's not a small percentage of one or two grinders either. There's a lot of regs who actually put this volume.
Luckily for us, there's the Beast leaderboard, so I can give you a pretty rough estimate of how many people are booking 250,000 hands a month.

IME you get roughly 2 points for every 3 hands played at 100nl. There are exactly 20 players who put up 15,000 points this past week, which is enough to put you in the 20-25,000 hand range for a week. (Most of the players play higher stakes, so it's less hands than that for them.) So assuming all of them are low stakes grinders (and they're absolutely not, I only recognize two names as 100z- players), there are less than 2 dozen players who are getting the sort of point total that puts them on pace to get in the ballpark of 100k hands in a month.

Literally nobody is putting up the sort of point total that's indicative that they're booking 250k hands per month at 100nl+.

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One day, maybe when you can actually put that kind of volume and not be bothered by "40 buyins under EV over 150k hands" you'll understand.
That's not how it works. If I were to quit my day job and do nothing by grind all day, then the 40 buyins of variance in a month would be a bigger deal. And if I were doing nothing with my time but playing poker, then losing 5 minutes of productivity would be an even smaller deal to me.

It's the 2-tabling recfish who thinks taking extra time to run a second board only to chop the pot is a waste of time, and the 6-tabling pro relying on poker income who wants to realize their EV as quickly and often as possible and doesn't think anything of the extra second.

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Your assumptions are wrong and you made an analysis that's compoundedly wrong because of wrong assumptions. Bottomline, it does stack and by a lot.
Which assumption exactly?

I went ahead and filtered my database for how many hands see showdown after going all-in before the river, and it's 0.47% of all hands. So my 1-in-100 estimate feels pretty generous. (Cue some passive aggressive ad hom comment about how REAL grinders GII before the river once every 20 hands.)

My second assumption was that RIT costs you a full second. How long do you think it takes to run the second board?

You are correct my third assumption about table volume is wrong, but not for any reasons that are going to help your case. There isn't some large class of grinder out there 8 tabling Blitz because there isn't some large class of grinder putting up a quarter million hands a month, and vice versa. Assuming you can get nearly 200 hands/hr/table when 6+ tabling Blitz is generous enough (there's diminishing returns from multi-tabling Blitz), and there's only so many hours in a week.

You can only inflate the number so much before you start assuming things like there's a huge class of mega-grinder out there who doesn't study or sleep or eat. And the more you inflate the absolute number, the more relatively silly it the less-than-hour of productivity loss becomes in some massive 300+ hr work month or some nonsense.

Last I'm saying on this for real this time. Love ya, smooches, etc.
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Old 06-15-2021, 08:59 PM   #34281
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Luckily for us, there's the Beast leaderboard, so I can give you a pretty rough estimate of how many people are booking 250,000 hands a month.

IME you get roughly 2 points for every 3 hands played at 100nl. There are exactly 20 players who put up 15,000 points this past week, which is enough to put you in the 20-25,000 hand range for a week. (Most of the players play higher stakes, so it's less hands than that for them.) So assuming all of them are low stakes grinders (and they're absolutely not, I only recognize two names as 100z- players), there are less than 2 dozen players who are getting the sort of point total that puts them on pace to get in the ballpark of 100k hands in a month.

Literally nobody is putting up the sort of point total that's indicative that they're booking 250k hands per month at 100nl+.



That's not how it works. If I were to quit my day job and do nothing by grind all day, then the 40 buyins of variance in a month would be a bigger deal. And if I were doing nothing with my time but playing poker, then losing 5 minutes of productivity would be an even smaller deal to me.

It's the 2-tabling recfish who thinks taking extra time to run a second board only to chop the pot is a waste of time, and the 6-tabling pro relying on poker income who wants to realize their EV as quickly and often as possible and doesn't think anything of the extra second.



Which assumption exactly?

I went ahead and filtered my database for how many hands see showdown after going all-in before the river, and it's 0.47% of all hands. So my 1-in-100 estimate feels pretty generous. (Cue some passive aggressive ad hom comment about how REAL grinders GII before the river once every 20 hands.)

My second assumption was that RIT costs you a full second. How long do you think it takes to run the second board?

You are correct my third assumption about table volume is wrong, but not for any reasons that are going to help your case. There isn't some large class of grinder out there 8 tabling Blitz because there isn't some large class of grinder putting up a quarter million hands a month, and vice versa. Assuming you can get nearly 200 hands/hr/table when 6+ tabling Blitz is generous enough (there's diminishing returns from multi-tabling Blitz), and there's only so many hours in a week.

You can only inflate the number so much before you start assuming things like there's a huge class of mega-grinder out there who doesn't study or sleep or eat. And the more you inflate the absolute number, the more relatively silly it the less-than-hour of productivity loss becomes in some massive 300+ hr work month or some nonsense.

Last I'm saying on this for real this time. Love ya, smooches, etc.
You know, I don't think there's hope you will see why regs don't run it twice. You're already committed on believing the regs putting on serious volume mostly don't exist so I'll keep this short.

There are hundreds of regs grinding the 100k-250k range per month. You will see most of them on the 10NL, 25NL and 50NL limit stakes. 100k-250k hands is actually a very wide range. But to give you an idea, a "lazy" grinder only puts 20k hands/week @ 10NL to make $50 beast payout. This is achievable in one weekend. That's 80k hands/per month, and that's not even trying. Those who takes it seriously fall mostly on 150k+ per month.

I can already see that you can't imagine people actually do this kind of volume, because from your post 6 tabling seems a lot. It's not. That's what you do when you play on the off hours. Think 12-16 tables. It's a skill that a lot of grinders learn to do efficiently over time without losing focus. In a nutshell, it's just a matter of folding 70-75% of your tables, and not caring about runouts.

Rough hourly turnover for me range between 1100-1500 hands per hour averaging around 1250 according to pokertracker. And last month, I did only 178k hands because I took a week off. Probably would do better if skylake Core i7 don't lag as much. Will upgrade this outdated laptop hopefully by next month with the newer 11th gen Core i7 or Ryzen 7/9 5th gen and see how it goes.

When you run it twice, it doesn't take just an extra second. It takes an extra 2 seconds + 5 seconds waiting for the other player to agree to run it twice. In 514 shoves, that's an extra hour you could have done another 1250 hands. It stacks. A LOT. It's that simple.

I'm just giving you here some perspective what a lot of regs are doing. They're not hypothetical and there's a whole lot of them. Hundreds in WPN alone. We do things differently than you do. Run it twice might work for you but not for a lot of regs. That's why you don't see a lot of them doing it.
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Old 06-16-2021, 04:13 PM   #34282
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srsly wtf is up with the software disconnecting in 3/4bet pots? it's happened and timed me out with the nuts at least 5x in the past two days. i just came back smashing my click button and bet 1bb into 50bbs with the nuts just because i was about to time out and had 1 second
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Old 06-16-2021, 05:27 PM   #34283
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srsly wtf is up with the software disconnecting in 3/4bet pots? it's happened and timed me out with the nuts at least 5x in the past two days. i just came back smashing my click button and bet 1bb into 50bbs with the nuts just because i was about to time out and had 1 second
Happens to me every time I play- after about 30-45 minutes I start seeing input lag every few minutes and usually the second or third time I will be sat out, if the software doesn't crash completely.
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Old 06-16-2021, 09:53 PM   #34284
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Question on Blitz. What is the Stay button for? I suspect it means you call all bets through the river.. but how do you find out what happened?
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Old 06-16-2021, 11:48 PM   #34285
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Question on Blitz. What is the Stay button for? I suspect it means you call all bets through the river.. but how do you find out what happened?
you stay and watch the hand....
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Old 06-17-2021, 01:30 AM   #34286
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you stay and watch the hand....
I tried it once and I got taken to another hand.
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Old 06-17-2021, 01:37 AM   #34287
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I tried it once and I got taken to another hand.
What happened the 2nd time?
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Old 06-17-2021, 06:33 AM   #34288
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I tried it once and I got taken to another hand.
I would imagine, the remaining player(s) folded and the hand was over. So it took you to the next hand. But it actually does what it says. You stay to see how the hand plays out.
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Old 06-18-2021, 06:16 PM   #34289
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I would also like to add that I have quit ACR sometime ago and I believe these account to be the new latvian bots ( FoxRox ). If there are any top notch detectives take a look at this. Accounts- refire, Astrosword, Sci-Hub, guywiththeeye, simplema.
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Old 06-19-2021, 09:00 PM   #34290
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Does anyone remember what Full Tilt's speed poker was called? I used to play it a lot.
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Old 06-19-2021, 09:07 PM   #34291
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Does anyone remember what Full Tilt's speed poker was called? I used to play it a lot.

Rush
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Old 06-19-2021, 09:27 PM   #34292
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Rush
Thanks! I miss FTP
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Old 06-19-2021, 10:34 PM   #34293
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Does anyone remember what Full Tilt's speed poker was called? I used to play it a lot.
Man those games were so good too
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Old 06-20-2021, 01:58 PM   #34294
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Okay here is a good one too. What was Poker Stars' first choice for the name of their fast poker game before the 2+2 thread about the name went sideways and Poker Stars decided to instead name it Zoom?
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Old 06-20-2021, 03:26 PM   #34295
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Okay here is a good one too. What was Poker Stars' first choice for the name of their fast poker game before the 2+2 thread about the name went sideways and Poker Stars decided to instead name it Zoom?
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In the movies "Coming to America" Eddie Murphy plays a character who's Father-in-Law has a fast food restaurant called McDowell that looks just like McDonalds. The Father-in-Law can even be seen reading a McDonalds' owners manual he is using to copy their game plan.

WPN's Phil Nagy probably hides in his bathroom, siting on the toilet reading a Poker Stars' manual. The WPN interface even looks like Poker Stars' kid brother, but doesn't have nearly the brain power to run a stable poker site.

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Old 06-20-2021, 03:28 PM   #34296
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I don’t get how I can 4 table Blitz and have no problems…..the second I 4bet I get disconnected from only that table. Literally I’ll be playing the other 3 tables fine and that one 4bet hand will disconnect and I’m pounding the button to not get sat out.
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In the movies "Coming to America" Eddie Murphy plays a character who's Father-in-Law has a fast food restaurant called McDowell that looks just like McDonalds. The Father-in-Law can even be seen reading a McDonalds' owners manual he is using to copy their game plan.

WPN's Phil Nagy probably hides in his bathroom, siting on the toilet reading a Poker Stars' manual. The WPN interface even looks like Poker Stars' kid brother, but doesn't have nearly the brain power to run a stable poker site.
My first thought was it was Blitzkreig, before seeing this post, but couldn't remember, accurate?
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Old 06-21-2021, 01:44 AM   #34298
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My first thought was it was Blitzkreig, before seeing this post, but couldn't remember, accurate?
Full Tilt Poker came out with Rush Poker. And then Pokerstars if I remember correctly at the end of 2011 or the beginning of 2012 announced they were coming out with Blitz Poker.

The 2+2 thread about the Pokerstars' Blitz Poker went sideways as some 2+2 threads do. PS then decided to change the name to Zoom. I just tried to do a search and find the thread, but it didn't come up (maybe it got deleted) and I'm about to go to sleep so I'm not going to search too hard.

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Old 06-21-2021, 02:28 AM   #34299
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Here is a Pokerstars' Blitz Poker thread from beginning of 2012, it eventually obviously got changed to Zoom Poker, but if you read the first several posts and the title on first few pages you will see it named Blitz Poker.


https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ght=zoom+poker
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Old 06-21-2021, 07:54 AM   #34300
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Hey guys, I just recently moved up to 25NL and I came across 3 or 4 players that I suspect to be bots. Very similar stats, same bet sizing. They're very calm and composed almost like a pro but with an unusually wide VPIP/PFR (a difference to the tune of 12-13) and they all play a lot of spots with excellent GTO knowledge.

They seem to be table starters and oddly enough even if usernames are hidden until dealt a hand, they all manage to be not on the same table. Although, you can see 2 or 3 of them when the tables have 5+ players.

I only have 2k+ hands on each of them so I could be wrong. They could be just regs. But almost like bad reg stats with good GTO understanding. I'll probably play with them until the end of the week and see how it goes. This could be nothing after all. I mean... after all what bot would play at 25NL?
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