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01-02-2021 , 06:51 PM
Does anyone know what happens to rakeback if you dont claim it into your account? Can I let it sit there and just grow?
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01-02-2021 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by prolly drunk
Does anyone know what happens to rakeback if you dont claim it into your account? Can I let it sit there and just grow?
Yeah, the money just stays there. A few times I went weeks without playing and it's always there. I suppose there's a slight possibility that if you left it there for years or something it won't be there when you come back, but I've never saw anyone complain about that.
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01-02-2021 , 07:51 PM
The old school 2016 pokerstars PLO cash bots are gone from WPN. They have been replaced by a new breed of bot that play different stats.

PLO Cash from 25-200 is a cesspool of bots 24/7. Most 6max tables have at least 2. Some have 3, some 4, and even 5 were seen last month at a table.

I do not want to mention the different exploits because I fear developers are aware of previous posts.
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01-02-2021 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666
The old school 2016 pokerstars PLO cash bots are gone from WPN. They have been replaced by a new breed of bot that play different stats.

PLO Cash from 25-200 is a cesspool of bots 24/7. Most 6max tables have at least 2. Some have 3, some 4, and even 5 were seen last month at a table.

I do not want to mention the different exploits because I fear developers are aware of previous posts.
I always appreciate your updates bud. Thanks for all of your posting.
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01-02-2021 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NoControl
My bad, I guess I forgot about the occasional $4k freeroll that I still need to opt-in for after raking a similar amount per month. That $8.40 min-cash sure looks sexy on my sharkscope. I just checked the "My Missions" tab and there are currently no reward offers.
Per the link below the next contests start tomorrow.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1453

You're not going to get an argument from me about whether the rewards program over there is adequate. If you're the type of player who puts in a lot of volume then I would suggest you're better off putting more volume on the WPN sites. I was only disputing the inaccurate statement of "no reward system of any kind."

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Originally Posted by NoControl
As far as the bots are concerned I hope you're right. I haven't played on BOL in a couple of months, so I guess anything's possible but I kind of doubt it. I've heard this spiel before over the years and the bots always seem to find their way back under different aliases. The games can be softer than on WPN, but the site is so greedy that I don't want to give them a dime.
I've played there regularly for a few years now and they definitely always did come back in the past, but they'd usually be back within days or weeks. It's been months since the most common cash game bots have been absent from the BetOnline/Chico NL cash game tables. I don't play PLO, but I've heard from PLO regs that there's been improvements in those games as well.

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Originally Posted by NoControl
I guess the several hundred dollars worth of reward points that were stolen from me by BOL still leave a bitter taste in my mouth.
I can't blame you.
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01-02-2021 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by reloadonsashagray
I mean if you look over this forum in general and see the people who are making money with poker they all have 1 thing in common for the most part...they all play on Pokerstars. I'm not on here much at all but I can't recall any great success stories from people making money on ACR with 6max cash at any stakes, I mean if people could win on ACR at the same clip they do on Pokerstars why are they not here? and getting 40%+ rb with elite benefits? the reason is they most likely can't.
ACR is pretty dead european times, most probably don't care for grinding 10pm-8am.
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01-03-2021 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Fat_Vicious
Hey,

I am new to ACR. So far I like it, I play 10NL blitz most of the time.

Now, regarding the beast promotion: Last week, I played around 25k hands and raked like ~210USD, which lead to around 2750 points at beast promo. This week, I played 15k hands already and raked around 120USD, but I only have ~1k beast points. So it seems to me that there are some points missing. Is that a common problem? Should I contact support?
The other thing with 10z is you will have thousands of hands with 1-5c rake. These hands won't get any beast points. You will have yet more hands with 6-11c that only get one beast point, so there will only be an approx correlation between rake and beast points at 10z. Same for when you get to 50z, then the cap of 24c to the beast means no direct relationship of beast points per dollar rake.

If you hover mouse over the pot, you can see the amount that goes in regular rake, and the amount that goes to beast.
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01-03-2021 , 02:56 AM
DI11ER nowhere to be found on the SNC leaderboard, wonder if they finally popped him. Very obvious bot draining the economy of money

Last edited by HomeStar; 01-03-2021 at 03:05 AM.
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01-03-2021 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by patriots
are they doing an investigation into the heads up bot issue or have they just shut that option down for good?
Just saw this on their poker.org forum from ACR's Game Integrity Rep

"HU SnG`s are no longer part of WPN offering and are not schedule to be available any time in the near future."

Pretty infuriating. I miss the HU SNGs a lot
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01-03-2021 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by HomeStar
DI11ER nowhere to be found on the SNC leaderboard, wonder if they finally popped him. Very obvious bot draining the economy of money
He's missed a day or 2 in the past. Which country is he from ?
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01-03-2021 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GoinGreen
He's missed a day or 2 in the past. Which country is he from ?
I believe Belarus. I think he's back now under "Wintedy", just played a few $50's with WT and he plays very similar
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01-03-2021 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by HomeStar
I believe Belarus. I think he's back now under "Wintedy", just played a few $50's with WT and he plays very similar
If it is in fact a bot it has to be the most obvious one ever based on volume alone, which would mean wpn doesn't really care about site longevity/ecology.
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01-03-2021 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ment52
ACR is pretty dead european times, most probably don't care for grinding 10pm-8am.
Still haven't seen a winning Graph over a large Sample from Someone playing on Acr. Neither Here or on Other Poker Forums. There should be enough USA Players grinding there but the fact No one Posting a Graph from time to time is pretty concerning.

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01-03-2021 , 10:10 AM
I was playing $10 Blitz yesterday and a regular had a stack of $100, which is pretty big at that limit. He had other chip stacks of various sized when I was playing my 2 tables, telling me he was playing multiple tables as I was. But then I hands at both my tables and he was sitting at both with $100 stacks that were within a couple blinds of each other. It seems really unlikely that he had run up that much on more than one table, so it led me to wonder: Does the software allow a player to sit at two tables with the same chip stack?
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01-03-2021 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NoControl
The only positives of WPN are the relatively large tournament fields. If you want to play cash your other option is BetOnline, which has a bot problem as well and no reward system of any kind. If you can put in the volume the WPN's rakeback/loyalty program is quite generous as long as you can at least break even against the bots. If you ever want to be in soft games play PLO and stay away from the Eastern-European players. They're all bots.
I have been playing BOL small stakes for a little while now and I can say that it is infinitely better than wpn. U can always play there for a little and if u don’t like it just take ur money out
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01-03-2021 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Twentythrees
Still haven't seen a winning Graph over a large Sample from Someone playing on Acr. Neither Here or on Other Poker Forums. There should be enough USA Players grinding there but the fact No one Posting a Graph from time to time is pretty concerning.

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I play all my volume at ACR .5/1-2/4 6max plo. This is a list of biggest winners/loser through datamined hands from the middle of last year. Maybe 1/2 of the top winners are suspected bots. Def nothing concrete on them though. List reads like any other pokersite. Winners from lots of different countries, biggest losers are rb+beast leaderboard grinders and mostly American fish.

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01-03-2021 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Supermarket Sweep
I play all my volume at ACR .5/1-2/4 6max plo. This is a list of biggest winners/loser through datamined hands from the middle of last year. Maybe 1/2 of the top winners are suspected bots. Def nothing concrete on them though. List reads like any other pokersite. Winners from lots of different countries, biggest losers are rb+beast leaderboard grinders and mostly American fish.



Thanks for Sharing. Tbh is a little Strange that your First Post on this Forum is to respond my doubts about acr. New Account or Someone trying to defend the Site?

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01-03-2021 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Twentythrees
Thanks for Sharing. Tbh is a little Strange that your First Post on this Forum is to respond my doubts about acr. New Account or Someone trying to defend the Site?

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Probably a new account protecting their own identity due to datamining.
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01-03-2021 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Wimp
I was playing $10 Blitz yesterday and a regular had a stack of $100, which is pretty big at that limit. He had other chip stacks of various sized when I was playing my 2 tables, telling me he was playing multiple tables as I was. But then I hands at both my tables and he was sitting at both with $100 stacks that were within a couple blinds of each other. It seems really unlikely that he had run up that much on more than one table, so it led me to wonder: Does the software allow a player to sit at two tables with the same chip stack?
It's a timing thing. You can fold in advance and move your stack to the new table, but the original hand can still be playing. For example, you insta fold the small blind and start a new hand, there could be a up to a minute or so that the original hand is still being played and your stack still looks like it is in the small blind, but it has already moved.
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01-03-2021 , 02:20 PM
I mean I’ve beaten 10 zoom over 260k hands pretty well, but for life of me have the craziest swings at 50 zoom. Everyone in my discoed is the same way, it’s like run well and normal and then 20-49 buyin downswing our of nowhere. I’d imagine it’s the same for everyone, I really would like to see a good winning graph at 50 or above.

I’ve beaten 10 at 2.5 over 260k hands 5 tabling, but prob down 20-30 buyins at 50 over same sample.
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01-03-2021 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Twentythrees
Thanks for Sharing. Tbh is a little Strange that your First Post on this Forum is to respond my doubts about acr. New Account or Someone trying to defend the Site?
How could you read

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Originally Posted by Supermarket Sweep
Maybe 1/2 of the top winners are suspected bots.
and still think he's a shill?
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01-03-2021 , 04:17 PM
Similar to flat earth folks... Show them a picture from altitude, that shows the curvature of the earth. And they be like...

"It's suspicious that you have such a photograph!"
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01-03-2021 , 06:18 PM
Im getting an infinate circle loop when I'm going to deposit or withdraw in my poker client.

Is this a common issue? I figure its because BTC is going crazy right now they dont want to let people withdraw with BTC. Anyone else having this issue right now?
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01-03-2021 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Picky Mosquito
I mean I’ve beaten 10 zoom over 260k hands pretty well, but for life of me have the craziest swings at 50 zoom. Everyone in my discoed is the same way, it’s like run well and normal and then 20-49 buyin downswing our of nowhere. I’d imagine it’s the same for everyone, I really would like to see a good winning graph at 50 or above.

I’ve beaten 10 at 2.5 over 260k hands 5 tabling, but prob down 20-30 buyins at 50 over same sample.
I don't know a lot about zoom, but I know a lot about poker in general. Assuming you're a winning player, your win rate of 2.5bb/100 is not meaningful enough to protect you from any sort of variance in the long run. Being down 20-30 buyins over a similar sample size is basically like losing 1.5bb/100, which is not even that crazy of a variance.

Seriously, I don't know why anybody would want to play a game where you're happy to win 1 buyin per 4k hands. To me that's just insanity or a break-even spot at best and my time is worth more than that. I'm sure a ton of people would love to be good enough to just break even, but that's not why you're here, is it?

I would recommend finding a better spot than NL zoom, because there are still plenty. I'd consider switching to a game with lots of action and huge skill gaps, like plo. If it wasn't for the bots most PLO games on WPN would be equivalent to NL cash of 2005. Even with those ****ing bots around I'm still able to find at least one amazing table literally every session and you'd be shocked if you saw my win rate over a similar sample size.
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01-03-2021 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Supermarket Sweep
I play all my volume at ACR .5/1-2/4 6max plo. This is a list of biggest winners/loser through datamined hands from the middle of last year. Maybe 1/2 of the top winners are suspected bots. Def nothing concrete on them though. List reads like any other pokersite. Winners from lots of different countries, biggest losers are rb+beast leaderboard grinders and mostly American fish.

Without the names this is a meaningless list with meaningless numbers. Let us be the judge of who's the winning bot and who's not.
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