Freethemind,

i do react in an allergic way when somebody accuses us of lying and wrong promises in a vague way. That's not cool.

Even if i'm not involved personally in the SNG program, i vouch 100% for the integrity of our partners. Their mistake = my mistake.

Bencb is not only a former student of mine, but also the worlds biggest winner in SNGs in 2015. He is very well respected throughout the poker world.

Let me ask you few questions:

1) Have you contacted your coach about this?
2) Have you ever emailed our support in order to solve the problem?

I'm very sure you have not been ignored and if that were the case, then we would certainly look deeper into it.
I need to get the story from "the other side" as well.

Please be so kind and give this 24-48hrs and/or contact our support.

It is unthinkable for me that you messaged about a problem and it would not be solved. We'll see.

I sent your support the case file (though I realized it's missing some key messages, but you should be able to find those easily with my full name).

I understand that when you're in business, there's plenty of people who will give you negative feedback, even if there's been no wrong/harm done and it can get quite annoying when you're putting in hard work everyday to keep everything perfect and everyone satisfied, but even then it shouldn't become personal from the business' stand point when someone isn't pleased with their experience.

There was nothing wrong with Bencb, but the promises I got from your support BEFORE and AFTER I had signed up that led me to believe that

A. there would be plenty of material and the program was "step-by-step", "go with your own pace" (I despise wasting time and want to work all day everyday, and this wasn't just hours, but days and days) and

B. that coaching would be possible the next day and then the following week, of which neither ended up being true

I was also chatting with another student who was not satisfied at the time for wasting time and AFAIK has now left the program (not sure why that is).

Now, the reason why the security deposit was kept was because of the two preflop videos from Bencb and free articles that we're released days after I had signed up. This was the answer from the support and I do not agree with it, hence why the experience was negative for me and later I decided not to continue even though for sometime I even considered switching the program (as I said, I know your 6-max and HU programs produce solid results). I will also not take away the fact that your support was quick and efficient.

I just do not agree with the way things went down in this particular case, and I think the business should be responsible if it can't fulfill the promises it's making and loses the customers trust for a solid reason.

@Freethemind, you were in the first group of SNG students. Yes, you had to wait 1-2 weeks at the start, for a couple of other students to complete the sign up, as we launched the program with a group of guys.

And the 50% discount on the deposit you got was to reflect that.

CFP is a relationship with people involved, and sometimes it doesn't all go 100% as planned at the start, and you have to wait for 1-2 weeks for the thing to launch. Again, the wait was well worth it, and you got in for 250 EUR only, not the standard 500.

Had you waited for those 2 weeks to get to the start of the program, your experience might have been completelly different.

You might have been like Michael, for example, who thought it's worth to wait for a few extra days for the world's no1 SNG grinder and guess what – just hit over 8000 EUR in profits last month.



You can read up on his progress on our site LINK.


Of course it's always easier for the next generations, as the guys coming in now have a ton of material waiting for them (close to 40 hours and more being added weekly), as most of the sessions are included into the library. Ben also has his own special course, which he releases to the student as he sees fit.

Right after you asked to freeze the contract due to you not enjoying SNGs as much as you had expected (remember that??), Ben started with the coachings. 1x group per week + 1 per week with individual students. Not to mention the initial intro sessions to get to know the student.

We can understand being frustrated, but not misrepresenting the situation.

We agreed to an exception and freeze your contract for 1 month, so you could have the time to reconsider playing SNG vs Cash games, like you asked us - and we never heard from you again.

Now you resurface here, months later, saying the program is broken and that this was the reason you left? Well, what is there left to say..

Too bad you didn't stick it out, I guess – As you say, our HU and 6-max programs are making new pros, and the SNG program is now catching up, producing its first big hitters.

In fact, Michael could have won the rankings for January, had he not taken the last days off (only to make over 2k on the first day of february, which would have taken him over 10k EUR and to his first monthly ranking glory...)


Again, don't believe our words, see for yourself what an actual SNG student thinks of the program - He has a cool video blog, watch the video below for his thoughts on the program, on our coach Ben, the state of the games, how bad the regs are, and his plans on moving up.

Hi again,

I again have 2 questions for you guys regarding the SNG grinder.

1- Are players typically grinding turbo SNG to put the volume or normal speed? I have to think the program would target a specific format.

2- Are we allowed to reasonnably withdraw money from the bankroll before the end of the contract? Say if one grinds full time and after 6-8 months is running out of money to live on (food, rent...) I understand that this could slow down raising the stakes but it can be necessary to keep grinding.

Thanks!

Hi,

1. Ben can actually coach all different formats, so it will be up to you to pick a mixture best for you. But typically it would be the hypers that would bring the most action for you, so mostly hypers. It's not that the program targets a specific niche, necessarily, it's more that you learn to beat them all, but the most action is there.

2. Yes, no problem with that, obviously people need money to live on, the less you take out the better for all usually, but if you need it, this will never be a problem.

This will be my last post on the issue, unless you think I've said something that needs proof.

First of all, I was never told the 250€ was "discounted" and I do not see how it matters on the issue. If we were to reverse the situation and say you invested that money in me and I had promised to do X thing and still after 13 days and a few empty promises afterwards didn't deliver at all, what would your reaction be? -

A. Hey, this seems like a great investment, or B. I want the hell out of here!

- now if you wanted out after the 13 days because I didn't deliver and I kept your money, I would for sure be viewed as being a borderline thief/scam artist. I sold you something that wasn't as described.

This was what the support answered to me after our first exchange.

"The faster you do the steps (we only activate them after verifying the contract (u need to upload!)….the faster u have coaching. I mean, u could have coaching tomorrow if u do things fast."


Now, who is misrepresenting the situation here? Everything I've said considering the case has been factual and you're clinging into some odd specifics from 3 months back that have nothing to do with the case (other than to cover up the fundamentals here).

I was desperate at the time and wanted to keep every little chance alive, so I asked you to freeze it AFTER you had refused to give me back my deposit. I did not want to completely kiss my money goodbye just yet. The reason you never heard from me again was because you had lost my trust and all the research I had done on your current students had lead me to believe that it's just not worth it.

Oh, and next time you make one of these "success-posts", please include the other 19 students who have been in the SNG group for ages and are making a killing like Michael, who is representing 5% of the players in the group.

Cheeeers.

In short:

Student gets discount at the early start of the program. He gets the discount because not everything is supposed to be "perfect" right from the start.

Waits 2 weeks, then asks to freeze the contract because in 2 weeks the world changed and he lost interest. Really?!

We're nice enough to freeze it, then student loses complete interest...He comes on this thread (which technically isnt the right one, but ok) at least 2months later claiming "broken promises" instead of taking the free coaching from the worlds best player that he would have certainly gotten.

Lesson learnt:

* Certainly he has a right to be angry. The issue has been fixed tho. It was at the launch of the SNG program

We're certainly not happy, since we wanna be perfect. And Ben certainly was willing to give coaching.

Consider this tho:

I have personally been very sick and have even made coachings with 41* fever. When i am on "vacation" (i pretty much never take vacation) i stop skiing during the day, go to the hotel, do the coaching(s) and then continue.
When i am at the other side of the world, i wake up at 5am to do coaching.

In my life i had 3 students who came close to that attitude.

In December however, i was so sick and completely lost my voice that i had to go on break for 1 week (hospital). In that week, students got a lot less coaching. I had the energy of 30min to write emails. Bad things happen in life.

Nobody complained and when i was back i made up for it.

This is my level of commitment and i know Ben (the sng coach in this case here) didn't become the worlds #1 by being lazy.

I think everybody here can judge which type of energy we put into this.

Interesting Video for those who are worried

"But what if xxx does not work"

and similar fearful issues:

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert...y_are_we_happy

Sometimes you make tough calls as a coach.
People with a big bankroll join, but they don't have the skills (yet) to win.

And believe me students are not happy to be put from intermediate into starter. I'm happy the big majority of students trust us to help them!

Quote Email:

"I wanted to say you that it was a great decision to put me from the intermediate (because i had the BR) into the starter course. I was overwhelmed in the intermediate. And now in the starter course i'm having a plan on the tables.
For the first time ever i'm crushing a limit. At the moment i'm 11 BB/100 over 35 000 hands at NL 2. And the last day's it's even a lot higher.
Learning step by step and try to get in the hands to move up.
Thanks."

End quote email

The money he made certainly was not life changing (yet), but what WAS life changing is that he now fully knows how it feels to WIN WIN WIN over a mid-sized sample. The bigger sample will come as well.

With patience, he'll get better every day, step by step.

This is one of the "not so sexy" , but very important stories nevertheless. We have a lot of recreational players on board now as well who instead of losing $100-$300 /month, now win $100-$300/month regularly.
That is a benefit of $200-$600/month. Again, not "sexy", but for sure something a recreational player will like.

Most importantly, for many players it brings back the FUN we have with the game. It's always more fun when you're winning!

I have made up my mind and will join you guys! I'm just not sure if I want to join the SNG grinder or the micro 6 max. I'm slightly more advanced at SNG since I spent time studying push/fold / ICM for MTTs, but not sure if its enough to discard cash games, which I think would have less variance. And if I'm honest, the variance of hypers scares me

My current bankroll is small (150Euros) but I got the money to bring it up to 1k if needed.

All this to say I will join you guys shortly, I just have to figure out which game I'll be playing full time.

***Edit*** I have already created my account with the 6max micro option, I hope we can change that if I decide to go for SNG.

Cheers

We can change this @Boulderv6, no worries. Once we confirm the deposit, this is easily done.

Welcome on board!

A couple of updates from our 6-max camp...


Our 6-max Micro student from Serbia, Lateralus, is over the thirst third of the Micro program, after having joined a few months ago.

He made close to 3500 EUR already, over 5x what his starting bankroll was.




And our 6-max student LeandroOS joined us with a bankroll of 1500 EUR. He already made close to 6500 EUR in profits, more than 4x his initial bankroll a few months ago.

Small winner on Nl100 / NL200, will I have any use for the No BS course?

Hi,

That course is meant as a foundation for the guys at the lower stakes than what you are already beating.

If you are already winning at NL100-200, you should instead go for either one of these:

Mastering 3-bet Pots: LINK.

How to Crush Fish: LINK.


Or go all-in and join our 6-max Crusher Coaching for profits program: LINK.

Thought I'd chime in for a minute.

I'm not a huge volume player, I have a family of 5, had a full time job, and just recently started my own business. I'm happy to be part of BPC. I've started at the bottom with $40, and worked my way up to over $600 now. I thought I was a competent player, beating a lot of live games, but when it came down to it, I realize I wasn't all that great.

Since joining BPC, I've learned A LOT. Things I thought I knew, but didn't really know where to put it into play. They've worked with me quite a bit, only being able to put ~20-30 hours in a week, some weeks a little less. Just really thankful being given the chance, coaching, and materials to be able to make some money.

Now that I'm about 9k hands from being into intermediate, I'm hoping I can put more time in, and make BPC happy instead of feeling like dead weight. The knowledge here is definitely worth it.

You get what you put in here. If you're set on success, you will achieve it. You must have the right mindset and attitude here. If not, then you won't get far here. People will see it, and you wont get the results that we all want.

One of these days, with patience, time, and discipline, I'll be one of the players at the top of the BPC list. May not be now, may not be in a month or 2 but it will be there.

Remember the name Gordon you'll see me there.

@Kounterfit:

Thanks for the great review. When somebody says that waiting a week killed his desire to play or loose trust in BPC, something inside of me dies.

But then it's people like yourself who make it worth it.
I'm glad to see that you want to get further to the top!

There is a big silent majority of grinders like Kounterfit, chipping quietly profits away. Not "FU-MONEY" (yet), but there is something happening.

Keep pushing, you know i wont be happy until we see some 5 figures!!!

Radoslaw "arianik" is our 6-max student.

He is a family man from Warsaw, who wants to make a side income for himself and his family playing poker.



Read the article here: LINK.

Here is the CFP leader-board after the 3 weeks of February:



Two Heads Up guys leading the charge in front of a newcomer to the rankings form the PLO 6-max camp, YuriyBoyko.

XcreminatR, whom we met not so long ago on our blog, is making big progress in the past 2 months. There is much work to be done ahead to start hitting those $10k months, but things are looking more and more promising after a bit of a slow start to the project.



Alloin, currently in second place, is finishing up his 60k CFP, and will likely be joining the finishers in the next week or so. It would be nice to see him go out with a bang, and win his first monthly ranking!



YuriyBoyko joined our PLO 6-max last month, and is already making his presence felt. After a losing first month in the program, he is running strong, and is a favorite to crack the current CFP PLO 6-max monthly record.


Graph doesn’t look too sexy yet, but focus on the last part and you will see the magic.

These are the main contenders to take down the monthly ranking, and the HU guys are outnumbering the competition at the top. Will we see another HU player taking down the rankings, or will Yuriy put the PLO camp on top?

How can I join this class?

Joining is simple, go to this page and enter the information, you could start studying with us tomorrow: LINK

Hey Gordon
The CFP for SNG; is the focus on HU SNG or 6max, Spin&Go....?

Hi,

our SNG program is for 6max, 9max, Hypers, Turbos and normal speed. Mostly you will play 6max Hypers, due to the traffic there. But in the program you can play all these formats.

At the time being we do not offer SNG HU or Spin&Go.

Here you can find some info on one of our students: http://www.bestpokercoaching.com/mic...-in-the-house/

If you have further questions, just contact us again.

I wanna sign up, but can maybe play 5-10 hours per week. Would that still be okay/work?

Hi, it's ok for the 6-max Micro program, there you can go at your own pace, and just follow the chapters.

Not a problem, we have many guys with jobs and other obligations in the Micro 6-max, who don't have much time to play.

However for other programs, more time is required.

The main break-through stories of the recent weeks are coming from the HU camp.

First, there is Alloin, who finished the CFP this week and is fighting to win his first monthly ranking in his last month inside the program.



He is approaching 8k EUR in winnings for the month, and is on the way to also break his personal record month.


Then, we have two players who moved up to the advanced HU group, one a couple of weeks ago, and one just today!

We met XcreminatR a couple of weeks ago, and since then he has moved to the advanced HU group, and starting to work on getting that first 10k month. He is currently closing in on 7k EUR, so there is still some way to go…





He too already broke his personal best for the month, as did the next player: Aleksandar “hITthAT”.





Aleksandar cracked the 5k EUR month for the first time, and practically doubled his total winnings before February in this month, and is one of the most improved player in the CFP in February, if we just look at the progress made.

It was a month of personal records for these players (and some others in the program), and there is more to come in the future months, as they really kick it into gear and go for the 10k!