Good and legit question. Refreshing.

If the player gets dumped by us:

NEVER gonna happen. My ironclad promise is that we never ever give up on anybody. When i say i will fight more for you than you will fight for yourself, i mean it... and DO it.

If the player wants to quit:

In a perfect world that does not happen, but the real world is different.
The whole point of the deal is that there is NO exit option. The risk is 100% on us after all. If the player disagrees, he can simply buy coaching/hour somewhere else.

I understand that a 60k+ contract can be scary so in the future we will offer smaller contracts as well. We couldn't offer this before, but we worked incredibly hard on our system. The people who use the "CFP software" know that we are constantly changing and improving it.

From playing chess i learnt the value of prophylactic thinking. Aka, you anticipate problems and solve them before they even arise.

We do this with a variably sized contract + we take a risk on the first weeks, which is ok. There is always some risk. Typically after a few weeks it is pretty clear.

Why? Because quitters quit and champions stand up one more time.

(there are always exception to the rule, but it's 1 out of 1000 if anything. For example KP24... he is not winning like other people in the group. He is a great guy, but has a long hour job + family. He is an awesome stand-up guy with character. We now know some specific reasons in-game, but if he ever wishes to quit, there will be no issue for example)

We're still a family and community after all... i wish i can soon share our pics from croatia.

So, what is the answer to Ron's question? What happens if a player quits?

I think CFP students put down a security deposit of some sort, so i'm guessing they would forfeit that, not sure about $ that was earned. I'm guessing it would be split?

Yes, of course at a minimum they forfeit that.

Like i said, there is no quitting option, otherwise what's the whole point of agreeing on something in the first place.

If you want a quitting option, then book coaching and pay per hour.

Is there a certain time limit where if things aren't working out, despite the player putting in the hours etc, that they can quit without forfeiting the security deposit.

So say someone has been with you for say a year and they've been slowly grinding out a small profit. They've not got very far and they're on $20k. They decide that they aren't improving any more and it's going to take them another 2-3 years to make it to the $60k mark at this rate, so they decide they want off the program. You take both their security deposit and the whole $20k that they earned in this time?

Actually a good question, but the problem in your theoretic case is that you make a lot of premises that are not realistic regarding the reality of the BPC program.

I will keep this short just to explain with a real example why your scenario can't be answered :

Hansthegreat, look at the first 5 months of his performance. If we stopped at that point and used this as a sample, he might have finished in 7years.
The truth is he finished with 100k profits in 9months. What happened? Did the coaching or player performance become 10x better? Of course not! It has always been great, but it is the energy and knowledge building up over the months, which leads to an explosion in results.

Some player invests less time, don't work as hard and might get the boost after 12-13months. Some would still be more than happy with this result.

Or maybe the guy was a losing player and made 20k in the first year. Just too many factors involved.

For this reason i can't go through all theoretical scenarios, no matter how interesting they might seem.

For this reason you can read the Blogs on bestpokercoaching.com of all players. You see the ups, the downs. You see the struggles, the good runs. You can then decide for yourself if it's for you or not.

Not quitting primarily protects BPC interests, no doubt. But just imagine Hans would have quit after 5months. It would have been a BIG desaster for him. I can afford the loss, but instead of being one of the worlds best, his psyche might have cracked (i've seen this many times!).
So it is very good for the player. Burning the boats they call it.

In case you're worried. If you do make 2k or whatever and after 6months you're not doing better, i'd be the first to allow you out at less than agreed rate (see the unique case i mentioned few posts above!)


Growth and improvement are EXPONENTIAL, NOT LINEAR!!!

=> So the deal is we coach and the player does not quit.

($5k-$10k is the conservative number we invest into each player before making money. People interested in a breakdown of the number, its earlier in this thread.)

Official Announcement:

6max PLO-program for CFP is READY TO GO. We can accept players RIGHT NOW.

BPC partnered with John Beauprez, aka Kasinokrime who will be the headcoach for PLO using the BPC success methodology.
I got to know him, we had intensive talks and realized that we have a lot of common ground in our passion for coaching. I have watched some of his videos and he has amazing teaching skills. We have an interview in preparation with him as well.

I am very happy to have him on board so we can accelerate our growth even further and offer players different type of games to succeed at.

Anybody who simply wants to buy his product(s), you can also do so for example here http://www.bestpokercoaching.com/plo...elite-program/

When can you start:

Today. No waiting time for you right now. But don't wait too long as you know our waiting lists become long very quickly.

I absolutely guarantee that everybody who joins the next 7 days will get a spot for sure.

Just apply here: http://cfp.bestpokercoaching.com/apply.php

You have applied for 6m/HU but would like to play PLO:
No problem. Just email us and we'll put you into the PLO program

Type of Contracts:

Depends on your current limit. We have our standard contract, but we are flexible with the size. We will discuss this individually.

Here a quick impression from our Jetski (we turned it into jetscooter) in Dubrovnik:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ooegajd58...final.mp4?dl=0 You need to download for good quality.

We'll pimp it up with name tags and find a way to put it on youtube so it's easier to watch.

The prize for the craziest rider goes to Sejmen "jihad" , who made the best stunts...unfortunately the best stuff is not on cam.

The prize for the best female rider goes to Ratko "Whoseyadaddy" ...his jet looked afterwards like a woman's car who tried too much parking.

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So if the guy has been going for 2 years, has only made $20k and is unhappy with the way things are going and decides to quit - you take the whole $20k?

Would really appreciate just a yes/no answer here instead of another five paragraphs of marketing.

Short answer (1 paragraph):

Don't join CFP, the program is not for you. Move on and find a coach/program that better suits you. Judging by the number of posts, you will find your way around.

Long answer:

Your scenario is not realistic at all, because this business is quite complicated and so many factors involved. I've given it a shot to explain in 5 paragraphs a real and practial scenario that shows why your example is flawed in so many ways. It's a business that is so complicated it could take 100 paragraphs for the short version.

Here is the main rule again:
We take the risk on coaching (5-10k) and invest our time and the student does not quit.

Those who like it, join. Those who are not so sure yet, but would like to "try it out", choose the smallest contract possible.


Unlike other businesses we don't beg for customers.
It's the other way around here. I regularly turn down clients who are willing to spend 500Euro/hour and more.
We have waiting lists of a couple hundred people (which luckily we can serve in a few weeks!), because many people do understand the once in a lifetime opportunity they are being offered.


Here is something that many critics don't know:

1) I have turned down easy money several times. A guy with a 100k bankroll applied. This would have been the easiest 30k in my life. I told him that he'd be better off with another option (outside of BPC).
Many of the "haters" have never seen this money in their life and would sell their family for it.

2) I have turned down a guy who has sent me a deposit of 2,5k Euro for coaching. I said no and that i would refund it. Then he wanted to join the CFP program. I asked him about his best month and it was like 5k.
I turned him down AGAIN, because i was not sure if at the current state with all my workload that i can guarantee him a 10k month in 3-4 months.
He said he didn't care and would do whatever it takes. Then i cracked, because when i see this amount of will and passion, i will always find time even if it means less sleep.
1,5 months later he made his first 10k month. Afaik his record month so far is 15kusd, but he just sent me a long email today how unhappy he is with his results... not complaining, but he is eager to improve MORE and MORE.

Later i found out that the last months before joining CFP he made only 2-3kish and that his record month was like 1-2yrs ago.


This is how i treat people who are serious. This is why people inside the program trust us, because they know we're a business, but at the end of the day money is not everything for us.

So if any problem ever comes up, we will solve it. There is no guarantee for 100% happiness. If you want that, watch a disney movie.

Success has a price.

So that's clearly a "yes we take the whole amount of profit if it's <$60k and they quit the program".

You're free believe this as much as you're free to believe that the world is flat or you know anything about coaching for profits.

I've tried to help you (without success) by showing you how much money i regularly turn down - hoping you'd understand that I am very much considering the other side/situation even if i don't have to.

Then suggested you'd find your luck somewhere else. Please be so kind and do so.

Video uploaded on youtube from our event in Dubrovnik... imo the most fun part!



The prize for the craziest rider goes to Sejmen "jihad" , who made the best stunts...unfortunately the best stuff is not on cam.

The prize for the best female rider goes to "Whoseyadaddy" ...his jet looked afterwards like a woman's car who tried too much parking.

Damnit. Some copyright issue with the sound ;(. Might have to re-upload with different music ;(

Despite being naturally cynical of 'programs' like this, I have been impressed with tons of stuff you have achieved and the results that people are getting, so kudos where its due and long may it continue.

However I don't see why you cant just simply answer PokerRon's question with a simple yes or no. He isn't trolling, is a highly respected poster and is asking a very reasonable question. It definitely rings alarm bells when a coach wont give a straight answer to something like this and instead posts a non specific, multiple paragraph answer to a simple closed question.

Im not even saying its unreasonable if you do take all the profits given the time and energy invested into the participant who quits and they knew exactly what they were getting into as well the expectations required from them.

So just for the record, do you take all the profits if someone quits before the $60k?

Guys. I'm a business man. Gordon is completely within his right to handle this the way he is. The program is designed with non quitters in mind. It is designed with the assumption the participant WILL be successful. You are trying to trap him in a corner to say something that can be used against him. Why does this matter so much to you? Why can't these unique situations be case by case?

I personally know of a player that was in the program and got out. And is absolutely crushing... Has turned himself to a legit pro making over six figures. He said the program was good maybe a little basic and they are on good terms. Would this pro have made it without CFP? IMO probably. But you can't remove the fact he was in CFP early in his career. They must have come to a financial agreement to resolve the contract.

I have no affiliation with CFP but do admire the energy and consistent message and public examples of success.......and in such a ****ty environment such as online poker and 2+2.

If you need 100% known financial risk or obligation buy some hours. But give it a rest, Gordon is a business man and all he has is reputation. If you can't tell he's going to everything he can to maintain that including bending over backwards to make his customers happy by now, then go elsewhere.

Here the interview with our new PLO Head Coach: http://www.bestpokercoaching.com/int...rime-beauprez/

Here the official news about opening the CFP program for PLO:
http://www.bestpokercoaching.com/bpc...s-cfp-program/

As do I, however as Gordon himself stated its a very reasonable question that requires a simple one word answer. Not answering should ring alarm bells and anyone considering entering into such an agreement is perfectly entitled to expect a straight answer.

The NEXT good news:

The 6max Program is finally open again for new students!

Want to be the next Hansthegreat?

Or do you want to be one of the 6max players in the current group who would be unable to beat a NL25 table, but is currently up over 20k Euro this month?
Or another guy around 14k Euro.

All 6max of course. There is no reason why this can't be you. None of them have started as a rich guy in life. All of them are self-made.

BPC has/had the pleasure to coach them, but the truth is, the MAJORITY credit goes to the player. BPC and our coaching only help you to realize your true potential faster. A LOT faster.
Some of you, we will help realize that YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT than the people you admire today!


I know many of you have been waiting. Our waiting list got way too big. When accepting more people, we should still make sure that we give everybody a shot to prove themselves and succeed.

Now we are finally ready to accept a big amount of new students. Those who have been waiting a long time, we will guarantee to take you.

We will have for all applicants a QnA session with me where you can (the applicant) ask any question before signing any contract.

Looking forward to a new generation of do-ers (not talkers!) who will be inspired to become the best version of themselves...and ofc make a lot of money doing so!!!

For those new, but interested, here is the application link:

http://cfp.bestpokercoaching.com/apply.php

(Here is the fine-print: Players for NL50+ have to wait 1-2 more weeks)

Another happy news: Steezy finished CFP

Congratulations Steezy!!!

With 25k Euro winnings in August, he has officially finished 6max CFP in LESS THAN ONE YEAR



While i wont say that 25k Euro (he actually won some extra stuff which makes it go more towards 30k, but BPC wont see one cent of it lol) is a normal result, it is not uncommon at all for a BPC student to make this type of money.

This also shows that progress is not linear at all. Poker is very often like banging your head against the wall. You keep doing it and nothing really happens. The difference between winners and losers, between quitters and DOERS is that the winners don't stop.
Champions stand up one more time.

Steezy is definitely a Champion and the huge majority of credit goes to him for making this happen.

While doing CFP he also worked for BPC, did Interviews and helped a lot organizing the event in Dubrovnik.

At the same time, he must have paid a lot of attention to what was taught in Dubrovnik, because he certainly took action on it.

Well done Steezy, i know the last word about his run to the top is not spoken. Now he's on his own, ready to reach even higher for the stars.



(We'll have more detailed case studies available soon)

Some of the work $teezy has done WHILE playing...it takes place in Dubrovnik. He basically interviewed the whole crowd.

You'll see more content where you can see the CFP stars (and those who will become!) in real.

Nice video. Very motivating.