Good post, i await the answer.

Im sorry but this kind of post just shows what im talking about. It's common knowlege that the book allows you to beat 2nl and 5nl which is what its aimed at im guessing. But it doesn't teach you a thing about poker so you get to 10nl now what? How do you build on what you know (nothing). It isn't the way you learn poker. For example in the book it tells you to raise donk bets every time. As the reader you have no clue why your raising donk bets every time or at all, you dont know what villains range looks like because no where in the book does it tell you to even think about villains range. And thats not even talking about how bad advice it is to tell people to raise every donk bet.
You don't know if the book could beat 25nl zoom on stars? I can tell you with a smile on my face that you would absolutely destroyed. Zoom is incredibly tough even at 25nl.
I would advise you to ditch the book and learn poker so you dont waste your time, you will see results at the nanostakes but after 10nl you will be completely lost, and you might be a nanostake crusher with the book but at the end of the day your not progressing past 10nl, improving your understanding of poker, and as gordon would say making money (money that means anything).

Would you rather:
Play 25nl with no rakeback in the toughest field and a losing w/r?
or play 200nl on some obscure site with great rb and a positive w/r?

I am sure I just don't understand the point of view of those who insist that they must grind PS at micro stakes but why don't you rather make money instead? I am just thinking logically and I don't understand please explain?

eu.era might be true yes but the point is: is it a good investment for a complete noobie? yes it is, you follow this book for 20 hours and you already made back your money what you spent on that book and you probably can get maximum like 3$/h or something without even knowing what u really are doing. so you start playing poker being noob and start winning by following this book and then later learning more stuff by your own.. it's still a good choice tho. it gives u good basics and if u start understanding what's going on you can just start adjusting against different opponents etc... i think it's pretty good ABC basic for someone who doesnt really know what's going on. or you can mass 8 table nl2-5 or 5-10zoom and just make like dno 4$/hr what is like pretty common hourly for students and people with no education where i'm from. so imo it's not a bad investment.

also I ran 2x from 20$ to 300$ with this book and it made my -15bb/100 redline to BE/even plus in nl2 so I'm happy i bought it. ofc now im trying to improve further, I also got double ur 6maxwinnings but havent work it through tho..

There are many reasons to want to play at the most secure reliable poker site in the world with the best user interface and most traffic rather than play at some obscure site but whatever. The reason people refer to stars is because the field is the toughest its show of skill, if you are a winning player on stars you are likely to be a crusher on one of those other sites, but you can be a winning player on another site and a losing player on stars.

Basically there is more to it than just who is making the most money, volume is another important thing that should go into the consideration hence why people state a sample size requirement when they offer up a challenge.

Mate all im reading in your post is that your totally wasting your time at nanostakes. If you want to be that guy who grinds nl2 all his life then thats fine by me. You could however ditch the book, learn poker and make a steady income (like you are at nl2) but at a much higher stake where the money is actually substantial.

EU.Era, time to stop posting, you are just rehashing the same thing. I have some similar questions as yours about this as you but you are handling it in totally the wrong way. You are not some moral arbiter and although I find Gordon's advertising somewhat embellished at times eg the best poker coach and the "most money made" from coaching claims (which are both flat out incorrect). It's not really your place to tell people what they should or shouldn't do.

I've been coached by Gordon too and Imachampion succinctly summed it up. Is Gordon going to teach guys to be the best HU players in the world? no and not even close. Has he taught guys to reach a potential they never realised they could? yes. Has he shown people how to make money at this game? absolutely.

That's all there is to it, the fact that you can't fathom why people still want to work with him is your own issue. You've made your point clear, now drop it.

Ive already stated i would stop posting but people keep engaging me. I never said once that people shouldnt work with him? This is why it seems i am saying the same things over and over because no one is taking it in and trying to claim im saying things im not. This all stemmed from an opinion i had that gordon didn't agree with, it wasn't even an opinion about him i never said anything bad about him. It was about US players moving abroad to maybe have a chance of coaching for profits. He then went to personally attack me telling me i was a broke loser etc like he has known to do before to people who don't agree with him, so i find it annoying when people like you who had nothing to do with it come in and tell me to drop it right after telling me "It's not really your place to tell people what they should or shouldn't do."

EU.Era, I think the point of the NO BS book is to lay out a simple strategy that everyone can follow and be comfortable with and on that I think we agree. What we probably don’t agree on is how valuable it actually is. Not sure about your mindset at the tables but I used to take things very personal and got annoyed pretty quickly if, say, someone has 3betted me like 2-3 times in a row and it naturally led me to many spewy plays and can’t imagine I am the only one like that. Now, I have understood the leak in this thinking long before this book but if someone can actually stick to those simple guidelines instead of raging “omfg I am getting outplayed/exploited by folding so much” than I would imagine the book has already paid for itself and that’s where the true value of the book is.

It is supposed to give you fundamentals and get comfortable with the game, this is step 1. Step 2 you try to build on those, try to open up your game (opening more hands) and start to question what you are doing and why. Now, you have asked a very good and valid question – why does it tell you to raise donk bets and it is actually your job to look for that answer, don’t expect any spoon-feeding at this point because by now there is no clear cut answer anyway, you have to do the hard job yourself. I think there was a really honest review of this book a few pages ago which told exactly what the book is, without any sugar coating.

Regarding Gordon’s offer I find it funny how can you hate on a guy who doesn’t actively promote his coaching anymore, instead tries to make money by a coaching for profit deal, I mean he doesn’t make any money unless his costumer do and he has actually shown to take both losing and BE players under his belt, oh wow, I bet his coachees feel so scammed. Also, the notion that he encourages his players to play vs a softer field is quite funny, I mean what is stopping you or everyone else from doing the same? Better to be a BE donk in tough games? I mean look at Imachampion, even if you are as ambitious as him you actually need a roll to play in those tough games, so after you are done with Gordon you can go your way but you have to start somewhere.

Just wanted to chip in, again it’s just an opinion from a micro donk as well, I always had a lot of misconceptions about poker and my mindset which stopped me from reaching higher but I was never a hater.

Gordon, are there any plans for a c4p Omaha deal?

Again i just feel like no one is reading my posts.

I dont hate gordon, if he didn't personally attack me i never would have said anything bad about him. I wont even accept a refund off the guy (of atleast 300 dollars). I think coaching for profits is great and i wish every other coach did it. I've only come to voice my own opinions because every post another new person comes along and challenges me further asking me to give reasons etc.

Before i answer how many ants can dance on the needle... all you guys reading this. BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF !!!!

What do you want? Do you want to make monie$$$$ at this game or do you wanna be a broke donk full of theoretical knowledge?

This will help you better understand my answer below.

Look, if u ask in a nice way (like u do), you get straight answers. I will tell you what i think and (unlike every other coach!!!) i will also show you what i DO and what the RESULTS are of what i do and GET DONE.

1a) Does my program beat NL200+ zoom on stars ?

It's a theoretical, but legit question. Theoretical, because if i would answer yes, what proof would be needed to confirm, it. Who proves etc... It's stupid imo, like discussing if god or the spaghetti monester exist. You can do that for yourself, but the ultimate answer will be subjective.
In order to prove this you'd have to do a lot of things, but let's not even go there, because i don't even CARE if it does - nor do my students!!! If u want an easy answer, i'll give you the NO.

(One of the first thigns i do with my students is to clean their brain of all the ***** they have in there from reading too much on forums.)

Currently nobody plays Zoom200+ because it is one of the toughest fields and we're the BEST at making money (NOT at playing the toughest fields!).


(Here is what people who want to make money and become the best version of themselves would ask)

1b) How many people has your program made filthy rich, how many broke donkies has it turned into winners and has this program helped people make 10k, 20k or even 30k in a MONTH playing mostly NL200 ?

This is an easier question, because there is a clear answer and it's verifiable. And you don't even have to trust my claims, because most students document their progress publicly and i am the ONLY coach out there who has this high level of transparency AND produces results.

Others don't have those results, and if they claim, they have never done it and proven it from day one (like i have done a million times by now).

I'll do the brag post graph festival at another time, but for 30k months, check out Hansthegreat and Imachampion.

For 10k+ months the list would be too long to fit into this post.

1c) How long does an average player need to complete your program and make 60k or 100k ?

Again, ez question, we have proof of all answers. No bs, no theoretical blabla if my program/students could beat NL650 in the west-siberian site gaga-bet.com. Who cares?!

* The answer is 9 month for the 100k if you are really working hard. Based on talent and work ethic that number can be slightly lower or also double the time.

* For the 60k, the current record is 7 months. I know it can be done a lot faster, but depending on talent and work ethic it can also take double the time.


2a) Could Gordon beat limit xxx in todays games?

Answer: How many ants can dance on a needle ? (for non english speakers, it's a theoretical question and up for speculation)

* I have not played professionally for 5 years now. I'm a business man these days. I don't make claims because i'm a straight forward guy and claim only what i have done or at least is very reasonable to happen.

It would also be disrespectful to the people who play those games (aka Negreanu saying he could beat NL5k online). I don't do that. I respect the type of guys like "Internet" who currently crush those games.

I'm not gonna claim i will beat NL5k, when i will not actually come back to playing and do it.

I think that would be childish, just as irrelevant (imo) as to speculating whether i could or not. The fact is i don't play, but i'm good and sharp enough to help a lot of students make a LOT of money.

That's what they look for in a coach.


And finally guys, please ask the people about their experience who know best - those who work every day, every week with me.

Of course, don't expect guys to flame me when they just doubled their record month or made 8k Euro profit in a DAY after being breakeven...

I mean, get real!

Hi, i am Hansthegreat.

Very few people have spend as much time with him as myself. He's a maniac when he is your coach. Sometimes you wish to punch him.

First i didn't like the way he advertises, but i saw him deliver results like nobody else. Since i was not happy with my results i hustled him into coaching me for CFP 6max. I was the first CFP 6max student and told Gordon he can't make 6max people successful (after i saw how much $ Imachampion made on HU).

Gordon has a big ego and likes to prove people wrong when they question his skills and he thinks that they have a point. Lol it worked. He said i have to be willing to do exactly what he says otherwise he will not waste his time on me. That was his only condition.

For him coaching is not sounding smart, but producing results. He does not care what others think. He just looks what works and does it. I should not say this, but he does not respect people who complain while doing nothing and posting only. He has some bad words for this.

When you are down and nobody believes in you, Gordon has the same confidence in you and will work even harder. You can check my blog on 2p2 and see what people posted when i went on a 100k hand downswing. Not one moment did he doubt me. He always says Champions stand up one more time than losers. Gordon only knows one direction, it's winning.

He is also the only guy who will give you **** and pound on you if you have made "only" a 10k month (even if it is your first one). He says you achieved nothing and tells you that the minimum is 30k/month. Well i made 30k not too long after... i can only imagine if he said 50k instead.

About his strategy: It is not fancy, but what can i say, it works. Results don't lie.
Now i understand why Gordon makes fun of so many "smart regs". There were sessions where Gordon predicted move by move by those regs, told their hand and laughed his ass off. Despite not playing active, he still knows and instantly tells you on the table what people have and what they are doing. I know it and all other students of him know this.

He also said that if I want to beat NL1k regs, i have to step up my game and he told me exactly what i have to do. Today i'm on my own and continue to make good money.

I don't agree with everything Gordon does. We are different people... what i suggest you is to do what i did. Dont judge his personality, but judge the facts.

I signed to your website and watched some tutorial videos.

Before making first step I have to ask is 50/50deal until 60k profit negotiable? That sounds very absurd for me as you are marketing people making that amount of money in one year. So you are charging 30k / 1 year of coaching.

Did I understand something wrong here ?

I think that realistic winnings for me this year would be something like 30k-60k this year so it sounds absurd that I would pay 50% of that for coaching.

You understood everything correctly. Don't apply.

Your logic is flawed. If i told you that i have a magic button that will make you 1million tomorrow, but the only condition is that you give me 500k (AFTER you make the million). Would you accept?
Based on what you say you wouldn't accept, because it would be "absurd" to pay me 500k for one day of work.

What you call "absurd" was for other people the opportunity of their life. And they paid a lot more than 30k and still think it was the best decision in their life.

You are too focused on what you pay instead of being focus on WHAT YOU GET (longerm). The best guys in the program never negotiated about anything.

Read the post above yours. This guy paid a LOT more than 30k. He now has the ability to make more than 30k a month now.

If you think you deserve a better contract than him, then you have to prove it first!

Ok so i am utterly disgusted with gordon, i recieved a pm from him telling me he didn't want my money and he would refund me for anything i bought from him. I provided proof i sent him 250 euros for hu mastermind and he has now took the offer back!!! I have provided proof and he said that he only offered me a refund for 6 max related material (not true) and that there is no record i even payed him this money. I proved a screenshot with a reference number, my history went far enough back to find the payment so his will aswell. I didn't even ask for this refund, Gordon is the one who put it on the table and now is taking it away!

Proof:

http://gyazo.com/54c362669ae6365bcdb1fcab90f49018

http://gyazo.com/b68cfe3ee41c9f2075e1b3677f15a9dd

http://gyazo.com/a50c0f01f0073b0026bd0e841b9a4117

http://gyazo.com/eb76c0343c8e02e3fd622f72d800f13e

Scammer alert:

First of all he declined it. But i renewed the offer and i stand by it. While people like him might be good for business, i want my thread clean of such pathetic people.

2p2 members, piracy is a real issue for any content producer. Before sending this guy anything, i want confirmation.

The real reason for this is that I am waiting for proof because i assume the guy got my nobs 6max course without buying it.

If he shows me a receipt, i will even give the money from 3years back. No worries.


TLDR: Shady guy gets caught, what a surprise.

OK what proof do you want? That i purchased your no bs book?

Got the results from research:

It was paid by a female name hence we had not the records of his other real name. Both times also not the regular price which made it very hard to find with another search.

(we changed systems/ecommerce 2 times after he bought it, hence no records in the site system, only payment channels).

User did not provide a screenshot of the payment for nobs, however i now confirm he is legit.

Eu.Era: My apologies for the wrong accusation. I might be disgusted of you as a person, but you are honest and not a thief.
You should know i never go back on my word and it was my only way of finding out you are legit.

Money is paid on paypal. Wish you the best and hope you find peace!

Well i am actually extremely suprised but i can confirm he has infact refunded me the money and i cant deny he is a man of his word. Sorry Gordon that it came to this. As you can see in the screenshot Gordon has not asked me to not post here but i don't see how i possibly can now since i am not a customer of his anymore and i cant find negative words to say about a guy who stands by his code.

Aaaa a happy ending

Thx for the kudos.

I should also mention that while i have lazier and more productive students, not ONE time did i have to worry about Hans not working enough when it matters.

See ya around.

I was hoping I could get a suggestion for a video course. From what I have read, it looks like you have suggested 'crushing the fish' and 'mastering 3bet pots' for micro players, and 'no BS' for some others.

I have just come back to poker since before black friday. I was a slight winner (probably breakeven or so pre-rb) at 50nl for about 2 years back then, and stopped playing as I graduated college and had to focus on other things.

I recently started playing again and realize now how terrible I was in the past. I am interested in reshaping my game as opposed to just falling into my old abc/nitty poker that I used to play. I've been winning decently through the micros, but need to fix my nitty habits before doing well above 25nl. Which video series do you think would be most valuable for me?

Thanks

Welcome back to poker . Once a player, always a player

You might have misunderstood something.

The "crushing fish" course from Hansthegreat is very unique, because you can use it at NL10 just as much as on NL600 ... after all, a fish is a fish. He does differentiate between different types so the microfish is covered as well as the high stakes fish.

My mastering 3b pots course is made for NL25 - NL 200/400 and covers what the title says.


The no bs 6max course is for Micro-stakes only (maximum NL25, altho some people used it at NL50. The idea is to have a simple foundation and then learn where to adapt. At the lower micros you can win almost without ever adapting. On NL50 that is obviously different)

My suggestion based on what you say:

You should get the "how to crush fish in 2015" course first. There are some cool moves vs fish that are definitely not "ABC" (altho i am not an opponent of that in general.

Use the lessons and once you profit from it, get the mastering 3b pot course.


If you are highly motivated and have the budget, then you can ask our support for a discount (if you buy both at once).

You can find the link here: http://www.bestpokercoaching.com/how...-in-2015-6max/

Do you have anything for 50NL 6max. Also are you accepting people for 6max CFP right now?

I'd recommend you the two courses in my above post.

Mastering 3bet pots in 2015 AND How to crush fish in 2015

About Caoching for Profits:
I don't make promises about 6max, but we plan to open doors rather soon.

The doors for Heads Up are very open and we can take a LOT of people (around 50 new) next month.

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Here a little rant:

Here is how I selected people from the early early start:

* Willingness to listen + ability to put in hours when needed

We're going to open up our program a bit more and let students succeed at their own pace. We now have the system and tools in place for that.
I still highly encourage broke players and very ambitious players to play 60+hours per week.

But if you're among those people who don't want to or can't (if you're a recreational player) play 60+hrs...and maybe only 15-20hrs, then you will still be invited.


When you're outside the program, many people just don't "get it". They think when i say it is "easy" and your biggest problem is the dogshhht in your brain from forum conditioning and other stuff...
Well i don't fault you - the reader - because you have not seen anything like this before in your (poker)life.

Everybody tells me they will listen, but close to NOBODY does it. Most students first need to get a$$raped on the tables for a day (some for a week, some even for a month) before they are willing to do what they should do in the first place.

It is NEVER a question of intelligence. Just through coaching i realized how big people's EGO EGO EGO are.
Yeah, i know you think my ego is big. But actually it isn't, at least not in the way YOU think !!! I'm always willing to listen to somebody smarter and better than myself (in any area of life).

Many students are NOT despite the facts being in front of their faces! That's stupidity caused by EGO-problems.

When people say i have a big ego, they say it because i refuse advice very often. But the reason is because 99,9% it comes from somebody who has no clue.

There is this joke, which is kinda telling:
What does a poor person have, that a rich person wants? => NOTHING

Similar with students inside the program:

Whenever a student doesn't follow instructions, i tell them very "politely":

If you (CENSORED LANGUAGE ) KNEW what it takes to win and if you KNEW what is needed to do... you would NOT be where you are right now (poor/mediocre/bad at poker).
So by definition you have to do things that you do NOT think are needed. So whenever you do new stuff or get uncomfortable, it is a GOOD sign!

This might be shocking to some, but i have seen the biggest EGOs in NL10/25 players.
Most people don't see it ,because the ego does not show in their words, but in their ACTIONS!

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