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Originally Posted by locoo20
It's been almost a year since I paid the 500 euros and I haven't really gotten anything out of it. Feels like everything you should do yourself as there is no one to guide you. Of course one of the reasons is that all the coaching hours are done at impossible hours for my time zone, but this isn't information I could possible know before I signed up. I would very much appreciate a refund. Thank you.
Let me add something else as well. So the *worst case* is that you have paid about as much as you would have on a normal old-school training site.
In addition, you got close to one year of free coaching FOR FREE, 3-5 times per week. Or you had the chance to.
Business model of every other poker site, "school" etc out there:
After selling you a course/subscription, their future cost are close to 0. If they sell a course for 100 Euro, their profit at scale leans toward that. Whether you make money or not does not matter.
Nothing wrong with that, we sell courses as well for people who don't want to share profits or do their own thing. At least when you buy with us, you know that people who use this WIN (even if it's not you). A lot of them, because that's how BPC makes money.
Or even better:
Go to another coach on 2p2 or anywhere and pay per hour. Any idea how fast 20hours are over, and it's barely enough to get started?! Then you're at least 1k in the hole with an average coach who can't document ANY success story publicly documented from day one (reviews are nice fwiw, better than nothing...like some losers lol...but still).
"Nobody there to guide you".
Totally wrong my friend. You do need to see the difference between having a personal assistant OR having a guided coaching system. There are no-brainer things that everybody can do on their own. They are put in videos for study, interactive, entertaining and we expect you to do those. After that you have a basis of knowledge and in the coahcing sessions you ask the coach to deepen knowledge/ explain differently etc.
If you want a personal assistant + coach who does not charge you anything until you win... spending endless time while you decide to go lazy...lol, get real.
It's a teamwork. Anyways, despite my harsh words, we still have full time support 24/7 who will do anything to help.
For us the costs go up once you join (after sec deposit) and unless you win, we get... guess what, NOTHING. Actually, we lose some at least in your case (well, not if you don't use coachings and/or material ofc, but that is your thing), but it's only fair... we take the risk. We know that what we teach works for everybody who really tries it. And obv we are doing very fine...
I know what you think, words are cheap. "Works for everybody". At BPC, in our long history, we have never made empty promises. So we back it up.
If you join, fulfill minimum requirements (nothing crazy, no fine-print or tricks) and don't reach a certain profit, WE PAY YOU 5k or even 10k. On our website, public, transparent, honest.
So while I can be a gentleman, just say "sorry bro it didn't work" ... this would be a tacit approval that perhaps "it doesn't work for everybody". That's garbage bs.
And that's what all marketing people would teach you. They kinda say "let the losers feel good about themselves...they will like you and buy...".
I'm here with a mission, obv big part of that is making money (as a way to measure like u measure bb/100 in poker), bc i have been fortunate/hard working blablalba....I have the luxury to choose HOW to make it.
So through the years I am sure BPC has lost a lot of business bc of rants like these, but i do enjoy the luxury of saying what i believe.
Life happens, people's interest can shift and maybe you realized you enjoy the fun part of playing and too much studying or systematic study is not what you're after right now. Totally cool. Not everybody puts in hours like Hansthegreat or Atvars.
Have you gone through the course, asked any question, shown any effort? We track learning progress, quizzes etc, database checkups... wild guess is you didn't really use what we tell people to use.
But i could be wrong, but if you say so, be ready to back it up with more than words.
I will not accept any BS without backing it up. If you don't like the coaches or have other critical feedback, fair game. You have a right to an opinion and then everybody can judge if you're just a lazy guy trying to get a refund or if your critique has some merit.
Time zone sucks, but it's not a valid excuse because we do offer coaching at different hours. Especially not after a year
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Anyways, haven't had a rant in some time here. Wish you the best and if BPC just wasn't for you, i hope you will find what you're looking for elsewhere. Just be honest with yourself.
(Gordon)