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09-07-2023 , 01:13 PM
TGM, a solver, some nodelocking and making notes if/when what he says is not accurate anymore.
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09-12-2023 , 02:34 PM
Think this is way too harsh. You may not mesh with his personality or teaching style, but heīs got some pretty good material. I returned to dabble in poker this year after a yearslong layoff and needed to get up to speed a bit with new developments, better info on GTO etc. and found his (free) mterial on Youtube to be the best out there. Got M. Acevedoīs book on GTO-theory, but itīs too dense and filled with too many tables to my taste, PC makes a lot of good points and breeds understanding on a more basic level. I consider myself decently theoretically schooled from back in the days, played up to 3-6 NL 6max and 200$ HUSNGīs succesfully during the boom, but had trouble beating 0.25-0.50 NL upon returning with my "old playbook". Havenīt paid a penny for anything Carrot-wise so canīt speak to if his course is worth 1K, but I think he is actually a spectacularly good teacher.


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I've always been a bit skeptical of Peter Clarke. His stream is rather insufferable as he shamelessly advertises his coaching and courses every 5 minutes, yet goes off on an unhinged rant any time someone asks him for his results. Not to mention, all of his students who make guest appearances on his stream are either stuck at 50z or have actually moved down since getting coaching.

Pete himself admits he can't beat 200z, and personally I doubt he'd be better than breakeven at 100z either. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's really good at NLHE theory, but for a similar price one can hire actual math geniuses who understand GTO poker theory far better than Pete. Better yet, for £250/hr one can get coaching from proven crushers who have actually beaten up to high stakes online and know not only theory, but how to exploit populations and make maximum profit. After all, there's no inherent reward for having a high GTOWizard Accuracy% score. All that matters in the end is how much money one is able to make.

IMO, hiring some guy who doesn't beat the games, isn't a math prodigy, and simply claims to be kind of good at theory just isn't worth it, especially given the exorbitant prices Pete demands. Anyone can invest a few bucks into GTOWiz or Pio and become equally or more proficient at theory as Pete, provided they have a relatively high IQ and are able to recognize patterns. If one doesn't have IQ and isn't able to recognize patterns, then chances are they aren't going to make it as a poker player in 2023 anyway, and no amount of coaching or courses will change that.

Ultimately, my gripe with Pete is his whole personality and business model are built on making himself sound clever to dumb people who don't know any better. He'll waffle on for hours about an extremely basic spot, spouting nonsense terms and theorems he made up himself in an attempt to obfuscate that he can't beat contemporary online poker and doesn't really have anything of substance to offer. Those who can see through it would never consider hiring him as a coach to begin with. Those who cannot are his target audience. What Pete is really doing is selling false hope to frustrated, desperate people who never had a chance of becoming successful poker players to begin with.
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09-12-2023 , 08:40 PM
I think the key point I would make is that like many coaches, Pete Clarke puts out a lot of freely-available content. His podcast, Twitch streams and YouTube videos are all free. This should be enough for someone to get a good sense of how much his advice can improve their game before they buy recorded online courses or personal coaching. Some above imply that your only options are looking at win-rate graphs, student success rates or getting second opinions from top players. I disagree. After watching a good few hours of him you should be able to evaluate whether he can help your game. Sure, a complete beginner won't be able to but I think they should get the basics down long before they consider more advanced courses. The fact they are at a level where they can't evaluate it is proof it would be mostly wasted on them, anyway.

I find his highly opinionated approach entertaining, find him a likeable guy and have a similar sense of humour, but your mileage may vary.

What I love is his way of describing the logic of poker verbally. My frustration with a lot of alternatives is how much of their content is really just reciting and talking you through solver outputs. He clearly spends a lot of his life in Piosolver but that doesn't mean all his fans are going to learn best from seeing little else but the results of his solves. I've spent a huge number of hours in solvers this year that on reflection now look wasted because I didn't understand GTO theory nearly well enough to do much with the results. He's very good at explaining the theory as opposed to just talking you through the answer key. Only now am I beginning to understand that answer key.

Would I pay for the coaching at £250 an hour? Doubt it. I play at 25nl/50nl and I feel as if a lot of other gaps in my knowledge need to be filled first. (But if someone is playing much higher stakes and has reached the end of the road with the course material, I can see the appeal.)

On the other hand, would someone playing thousands and thousands of hands a month at 50NL be smart spending 20 buy ins on a solid 30 hour course? I think they often would.

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Thats nice to hear, do you think his course can get somebody from 50nl to 200nl or something? (Got to 50nl by watching his youtube vids and way he explains things works great for me so far)
I've never had coaching but personally, I don't think any poker coach or content creator deserves this much credit or blame for how their students do. Even if he gets everything right, the vast bulk of their students' future success will be down to their own study, understanding and practice. It's a bit like a fantastic personal trainer: even with the best advice and training in the world, their client is the one who needs to do all that work to get to their target weight, body/fat percentage etc. But if what you're asking is: "Does his content lose value above 50NL?" I would say definitely not.

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09-19-2023 , 11:19 AM
hi

what abaut BluftheSpot Academy poker

das someone has any review?

is very expenciv is worth?
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09-25-2023 , 05:25 AM
Bought is as well. It is OK
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10-02-2023 , 11:01 PM
Anybody have Grade E of Carrot Corner? It is wort it?
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10-08-2023 , 02:27 AM
I bought it, and it is good, but not providing you with detailed MDA analisys like coaching stables. 8/10
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11-25-2023 , 09:17 PM
Canít stand that carrot man who is the textbook example of the Dunning Kruger effect. He makes a lot of bad plays and has some big misunderstandings of how poker works but doesnít question whether should even be a coach when he is a loser at 200 zoom (but still plays it for content to give the impression heís a reg at that level). Just waffles on and on trying to sound clever or thinking he knows everything, which is the opposite of every genuinely strong player Iíve heard who are humble and aware of how much they donít know so always looking to learn

Last week saw him go on for 10 minutes about a river raise spot that is the most glaringly obvious raise to every half-good player as though heíd discovered General Relativity
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11-30-2023 , 06:24 AM
Do you have any techniques/tells to weed these types of guys out?
How do you know if someone is just chatting garbage vs someone who knows what they are saying?
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11-30-2023 , 10:46 AM
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Do you have any techniques/tells to weed these types of guys out?
How do you know if someone is just chatting garbage vs someone who knows what they are saying?
You really can't know by definition, this is why you need to look at results above everything.

It's easy for a student who knows much less than a coach (yet the coach is still clueless in a lot of spots) to post good reviews when a lot of the topics discussed aren't fully understood.

It's basically coaching by obfuscation. A lot of coaches that are very small winners in the games use this tactic to make a great income.

I think it would be hilarious to get a world class player to go undercover and get 1 on 1 coaching with some of these charlatans, then post the video on YouTube explaining everything the coach got wrong, but it will probably never happen for a lot of reasons.
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12-01-2023 , 05:48 PM
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You really can't know by definition, this is why you need to look at results above everything.

It's easy for a student who knows much less than a coach (yet the coach is still clueless in a lot of spots) to post good reviews when a lot of the topics discussed aren't fully understood.

It's basically coaching by obfuscation. A lot of coaches that are very small winners in the games use this tactic to make a great income.

I think it would be hilarious to get a world class player to go undercover and get 1 on 1 coaching with some of these charlatans, then post the video on YouTube explaining everything the coach got wrong, but it will probably never happen for a lot of reasons.
I think it is unfair to call Pete Clarke a charlatan. He's teaching 25nl guys basic theory and how to think about poker. He has never claimed to be a high stakes crusher, but I guarantee you that he is worth the price to someone struggling to beat microstakes. He's been a Run It Once coach for years, so it isn't like he is some fly by night coach. Live streaming and nailing every spot while explaining everything is pretty tough. If he coached some random chess player with no poker background, he would get them started on the right path.

Like I said in this in this thread, Upswing has released worse courses for the same price, and not many people would call Doug Polk a charlatan.
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12-01-2023 , 08:03 PM
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I think it is unfair to call Pete Clarke a charlatan. He's teaching 25nl guys basic theory and how to think about poker. He has never claimed to be a high stakes crusher, but I guarantee you that he is worth the price to someone struggling to beat microstakes. He's been a Run It Once coach for years, so it isn't like he is some fly by night coach. Live streaming and nailing every spot while explaining everything is pretty tough. If he coached some random chess player with no poker background, he would get them started on the right path.

Like I said in this in this thread, Upswing has released worse courses for the same price, and not many people would call Doug Polk a charlatan.
Charlatan might be too strong a word but doesn't he charge 250/hr?
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12-01-2023 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT
I think it is unfair to call Pete Clarke a charlatan. He's teaching 25nl guys basic theory and how to think about poker. He has never claimed to be a high stakes crusher, but I guarantee you that he is worth the price to someone struggling to beat microstakes. He's been a Run It Once coach for years, so it isn't like he is some fly by night coach. Live streaming and nailing every spot while explaining everything is pretty tough. If he coached some random chess player with no poker background, he would get them started on the right path.

Like I said in this in this thread, Upswing has released worse courses for the same price, and not many people would call Doug Polk a charlatan.
If he was honest that’s he’s a mediocre 50-100nl reg who can take even lower limit players up to his level at best I would agree. But he sells himself as some expert poker master which is absurd and charges prices matching his deluded view.

And Doug Polk was one of the top HU players with impressive results. The carrot can’t even provide a graph showing he’s breakeven so that’s why it’s fairer to call one a charlatan but not the other
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12-02-2023 , 01:36 PM
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From his website




This is a just a personal opinion, but I would consider that a red flag. IMHO a guy shouldn't be coach for a living but he should play for a living.
I think his coaching hourly is way way more than he's hourly at the tables.
IMO the big problem for the student is to be able to judge the coach value. Since he is looking for help it would be really difficult do understand whether the coach is legit or not. This is true for every coach out there
I sympathize with this reasoning and I think there is some truth to it, but there's some nuance, I think.

IMO, what separates Clarke from players who play very very high stakes is that the guys playing nosebleeds have an extremely razor-like perception of miscalibrated frequencies, probably some insanely granular study habits, and just overall things like photographic memory and being built different psychologically. Like in chess, the best best best players in the world don't necessarily have an intuition that is miles beyond other good players... it's just that Magnus Carlsen memorized every national flag in the world when he was four years old.

These traits that separate the best players from Clarke are not often teachable. So, hiring a coach who wins more does not necessarily translate to the student winning more.

By contrast, someone like Clarke who clearly has a strong enough foundation in the game that he can beat 200 zoom or whatever, he's going to be a good teacher simply by virtue of that being his only job.

Also the hours and hours of talking about and thinking about lower stakes might come in handy for people playing lower stakes. A 10knl reg might have overall forgotten population tendencies at 50nl. Or maybe not forgotten, but be less finely tuned to the population tendencies.

So, personally, I don't think what stakes the coach can beat tells the whole story. I would say it's something like (How rare their knowledge is)x(How well they can help the student internalize that knowledge). Clarke is probably like (B)x(A+) there, whereas another coach might be (A+)x(C-).

An example in practice? The Kanu study course vs the Uri Peleg study course. Kanu was playing higher than Peleg but the Peleg course is worth way way way more imo because he's a good teacher and Kanu is a dreadful teacher.

Is Clarke worth the money? He's very expensive, so I'm not sure. But I do think the coach's profit playing does not map on perfectly to how much a student might benefit.

I guess one other strike against Clarke is if you're going to pay 5k for coaching from him, you could just join a good CFP instead. If they take 30% of your winnings for two years and you play 50nl, it's tough to say which would be more expensive in the long run.

So, those are some thoughts. I'm saying this as a coach who currently plays.
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12-05-2023 , 12:20 PM
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I sympathize with this reasoning and I think there is some truth to it, but there's some nuance, I think.

IMO, what separates Clarke from players who play very very high stakes is that the guys playing nosebleeds have an extremely razor-like perception of miscalibrated frequencies, probably some insanely granular study habits, and just overall things like photographic memory and being built different psychologically. Like in chess, the best best best players in the world don't necessarily have an intuition that is miles beyond other good players... it's just that Magnus Carlsen memorized every national flag in the world when he was four years old.

These traits that separate the best players from Clarke are not often teachable. So, hiring a coach who wins more does not necessarily translate to the student winning more.

By contrast, someone like Clarke who clearly has a strong enough foundation in the game that he can beat 200 zoom or whatever, he's going to be a good teacher simply by virtue of that being his only job.

Also the hours and hours of talking about and thinking about lower stakes might come in handy for people playing lower stakes. A 10knl reg might have overall forgotten population tendencies at 50nl. Or maybe not forgotten, but be less finely tuned to the population tendencies.

So, personally, I don't think what stakes the coach can beat tells the whole story. I would say it's something like (How rare their knowledge is)x(How well they can help the student internalize that knowledge). Clarke is probably like (B)x(A+) there, whereas another coach might be (A+)x(C-).

An example in practice? The Kanu study course vs the Uri Peleg study course. Kanu was playing higher than Peleg but the Peleg course is worth way way way more imo because he's a good teacher and Kanu is a dreadful teacher.

Is Clarke worth the money? He's very expensive, so I'm not sure. But I do think the coach's profit playing does not map on perfectly to how much a student might benefit.

I guess one other strike against Clarke is if you're going to pay 5k for coaching from him, you could just join a good CFP instead. If they take 30% of your winnings for two years and you play 50nl, it's tough to say which would be more expensive in the long run.

So, those are some thoughts. I'm saying this as a coach who currently plays.
Have you seen both the Kanu and Uri courses in their entirity?
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12-05-2023 , 09:27 PM
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Have you seen both the Kanu and Uri courses in their entirity?
I have and Kanuís is a total waste of time. Was produced when solvers were new and coaches thought spending all their time looking at the optimal flop cbet size was the way to use them.

Uriís is a great course. On itís own wonít make you a crusher but gives a good framework to think about poker and some good exploits against different leaks
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12-06-2023 , 11:15 AM
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Have you seen both the Kanu and Uri courses in their entirity?
Peleg yes, Kanu no. I don't think Kanu suddenly becomes a great teacher in the second half, though. :P
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12-06-2023 , 02:11 PM
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I have and Kanuís is a total waste of time. Was produced when solvers were new and coaches thought spending all their time looking at the optimal flop cbet size was the way to use them.

Uriís is a great course. On itís own wonít make you a crusher but gives a good framework to think about poker and some good exploits against different leaks
Uri is a decent course, Jayser is better and the new Metagame course is also excellent. Uri is a solid third place imo
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12-06-2023 , 03:23 PM
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Uri is a decent course, Jayser is better and the new Metagame course is also excellent. Uri is a solid third place imo
So you've spent 10 grand on Jayser's course and 2.5k on the Metagame one?
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12-06-2023 , 04:48 PM
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Peleg yes, Kanu no. I don't think Kanu suddenly becomes a great teacher in the second half, though. :P
Interesting,

Why do you think the Uri course is better?

I really enjoyed the Kanu course and found it a good introduction to working with solvers.
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12-06-2023 , 04:52 PM
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Interesting,

Why do you think the Uri course is better?

I really enjoyed the Kanu course and found it a good introduction to working with solvers.
Uri uses more analogies and speaks in a more captivating way. I also found he had a very fresh perspective. Again, I don't know if the Uri course is strictly better, but I do think he is a better teacher.
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12-06-2023 , 09:10 PM
Agree. I bought every premium poker course ever released and those of Uri are my most favorite one.
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12-07-2023 , 05:32 AM
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Agree. I bought every premium poker course ever released and those of Uri are my most favorite one.
not sure if serious but if you are, just wondering how did your game improve because of the courses? if at all? were you a losing player ? or a winning one and your bb/100 went up after all of these courses? never bought any but mostly study on my own. just curious if its worth it at all if im already beating stakes im playing for a lot.
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12-07-2023 , 07:37 AM
+1 Uri here too
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12-07-2023 , 08:07 AM
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not sure if serious but if you are, just wondering how did your game improve because of the courses? if at all? were you a losing player ? or a winning one and your bb/100 went up after all of these courses? never bought any but mostly study on my own. just curious if its worth it at all if im already beating stakes im playing for a lot.
I play mostly 10/20 live and .5/1 online now. So for me it is insane to not spend 50bb (1k) for a access to way of thinking of elite players. I'm sure my hourly increased by 5bb++ after going deeply threw all the materials.
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