I started playing NL hold'em this year and have already spent 1k on Elite Cash Game Exploits by Uri Peleg (which I highly recommend). This course is the best on the market when it comes to exploitation. However, I noticed that my understanding of game theory could be much better. So I'm considering buying Carrot Poker School, but before spending another 1k, I'd love to hear what you guys think about this course first. Or maybe there is something even better on the market?

Had to Google this one because i haven't heard about it before. Imho it sounds like a incredibly steep price for a course made by someone that isn't very well known nor play high stakes. With that said this guy probably has plenty of content that you can check out before, he make Rio vids (?). Check them out and do your own assessment.

From his website




This is a just a personal opinion, but I would consider that a red flag. IMHO a guy shouldn't be coach for a living but he should play for a living.
I think his coaching hourly is way way more than he's hourly at the tables.
IMO the big problem for the student is to be able to judge the coach value. Since he is looking for help it would be really difficult do understand whether the coach is legit or not. This is true for every coach out there

I like his rio vids - you can watch them on essential membership for like $20 so just sign up there and watch his vids to decide if you want to enrol in his course or not..

Maybe you can help me out to understand a thing, how a student can judge his (or any other coach content)?

Not near your level or at least I'm not considering spending near your level on a course or poker training. Regardless I wouldn't be considering a site or someone I have never heard of before this post and specially not for 1k.

A browse thou this section of the forums should find better options and more well known names/options for around 1k price range. I believe both Daniel Negs and Phil Ivey both offer Masterclasses now for 1k. Not sure if there for MTT's or cash though.

FWIW I recently brought a course from Run It Once Poker. "From the Ground Up by Peter Clarke regular price $49.99. While that course is below your level Run It Once does offer other more expensive courses for 1k. Based my experience and Peter Clarke's course they're worth at least a look and considering here's a link https://www.runitonce.com/courses/from-the-ground-up/ .


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I used to watch him on twitch and have his grinders manual for 6 max cash.

OP you are more than welcome to have this manual for free if you want just so you can see what his teaching style is like.

I understand what you want to say. If so, is there a similar well structured A-Z 6-max cash course but released by a high stakes crusher and up to date? Just curious.

It's a very good course on theory, definitely suits what you're looking for. I disagree with Pete on some minor points but the overall course is very nice.

I've watched it all and the fact he doesn't play doesn't take away from it

No AFAIK, most of the coaching business switch to the more lucrative CFPs


Yeah, I mean, the content could be good. I found it strange for a poker player to profit more from coaching than actual play. To me seems like the business coach that teach you how to do business but never tried to build something on their own.
Might be my thinking limitation though

Some people prefer teaching.. there is personal satisfaction in it, personal relationships etc. Grinding poker fulltime might not be what he enjoys the most
Not saying his course is or isn't worth the money but throughout the world of sport or anything there are people who teach/coach and they are not necessarily the best or active at doing what they are teaching but that doesn't diminish the quality of their instruction

Good points but, the problem, at least for me, is that, in general, many coaches out there, charges a multiple of their true hourly rate at the tables, variance free.
Those guys aren't philanthropists.

Hi there. Hope you're well.

Just for info - The Carrot Poker School is in fact run by Peter Clarke - the same Peter Clarke who did the "From the ground up" on RunItOnce. His Carrot School is a more advanced course based on learning GTO foundations and then how and when to deviate from GTO to exploit the population. I haven't followed the Carrot Course myself but it will probably be my next course after his "From the ground up course".

Thats nice to hear, do you think his course can get somebody from 50nl to 200nl or something? (Got to 50nl by watching his youtube vids and way he explains things works great for me so far)

I think there's a difference between learning poker theory and learning poker. I would say the course won't single handedly make you beat a given stake, but specially as you move up to high stakes online, this is a skillset you need to have

Thanks for asking MrCrown doing quite well here other then not having any Xmas shopping done yet and it's coming down to crunch time really quickly. Really enjoying "The From the Ground Up" course of Peter's and learning quite a bit now that I'm past the pre-flop which has always been the strongest part of my game. Actually I might be a bit tight and too strong pre-flop from 15-20+ years of playing MTT's. I think I could loosen up just a nick for cash specially down here at 2nl and likely even 5nl and 10nl as well. The hardest part about rebuilding/re-inventing/upgrading one's cash game after years and years of not playing cash seriously is breaking the old MTT habits. On the bright side even as terrible a player as I currently am I'm not losing player and able to keep my head above water. Now the bad after 5400 hands I can't even afford to buy the coffee I'm currently drinking .

How things going with you? Hope all is good and you got more Xmas shopping done then I have lol.

Oh didn't realize that never really checked out the site that hard just know I never heard of it before which probably doesn't mean much either as there's likely so many there's probably tons of them I've never heard of that are good. I like Peter Clarke's video coaching style and he seems like a pretty decent guy on top of that. If even find that need for a 1k course I'm gonna bookmark Carrot Poker.

One thing I've found though(haven't looked around a lot) but there doesn't seem to be any mid-tier or mid-range priced courses. I'm probably missing them I didn't look around that hard yet. It's either something like Peter's "From the Ground Up" course for $49.99 or you spend 1k. Not meaning to sound cheap but spending 1k on a course seems a like a lot if a guy/rec player wants to play no higher then 50nl. And then maybe you don't need to spend 1k to play no higher then 50nl. Not sure how much 50nl has changed in 15-20+ years use to be pretty soft just before/during the Moneymaker poker boom.



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This is 100% correct. I'm glad somebody pointed this out.

Well, we are the only two ITT that have some doubts



At what stake is it possible to have 250/hr? NL2k?
Anyway, I'm not surprise by that rate, there's clearly market for it, but I'm mesmerized that it doesn't ring any bell

I recognize that your comment may have been made with tongue firmly in cheek, but it's worth exploring an answer anyway since lots of people struggle with the concept (both with poker and information in general). As far as I can tell, there are three ways:

1. Rely on the expertise of proven, skillful players to judge the content
2. Use the coach's graph as evidence of their skill
3. Gamble

The first option isn't available here since OP can't find references from any skilled pros.

The second option isn't available since the coach can't (or won't) provide a graph.

That leaves only the third: pay money and hope for the best.

There are plenty of courses which meet one or both of the first criteria in a similar price range. If OP isn't the gambling type they should use one of them.

We should acknowledge that the first two options aren't entirely foolproof. References can be bought or mistaken, so the more the better. Graphs only show the result of poker skill+luck, not coaching skill. People can be miserable at teaching their own expertise because coaching and pokering require different skill sets.

Are you aware of any more approaches?

I was genuinely interested tbh, while expert in a field are able to distinguish, noobs don't.
Most of the poker coaching targets low stakes players that aren't able to understand whether information is valuable or not.

He plays and coaches people on his twitch stream. You could get an idea of what he’s doing from his stream. Carrot_Corner on twitch

I think coaching is overpriced but then market forces dictate that, I guess
but I don't see why a coach should charge the same for his coaching as his hourly rate at the tables? The 2 aren't the same thing.. there's no reason why they should match

Well they should be somewhat correlated imho, but I could be wrong.
If he doesn't play NL200 consistently and winning by a large clip his hourly at the tables could be lower than 50$, charging more than 5x seems off to me.
But obv you are free to choose, I just wanted to raise som questions since there are more coaches out there than players nowday

Wouldn't agree that there is a market for this hourly. There is guys like Matija Kajtez who played up to $200/400 and charges less lol. Giova and kanaxis are other examples of higher stakes players that charges less. The pricing for both the course and the hourlys look absurd imho.

Depends on how many tables you are playing obviously but on 1k+ you can for sure make 300 usd/hour