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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
The first 3 bet getting credit is as basic as it gets. Just like in a live game if you sit down, open and have a person 3 bet from behind, we are usually not able to say that this is a person just taunting us because we have zero history or dynamic. Thus the 3 bet receives credit the first go. That concept has been around forever.
J 7 3 rainbow HU, you ask why he expects me to miss this flop? Well, if this is not obvious I would suggest opening up flopzilla and just look at how well any reasonable range just about hits this flop.
The turn bet was ~128 into 159 which appeared as bluffy as could be since my flop bet and turn check suggests I am just giving up. I expected this to be bluff about always and tanking created him to follow thru on the river with a ridiculously larger bet on the river. What could I have to call those bets? What does he expect?
The hand was elementary to me.
Don't know where to start.
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1) This is such an awful old school cliche and has next to no basis in hu games in this age online. No good Hu player thinks like this, you have a range that you are 3 betting (which can vary through the match) and you play that range, you don't just pull random hands out in a pseudo attempt to level the other player that's just an awful non strategy.
Also like i asked earlier, if your first 3 bet doesn't matter, why did you not 3 bet the first hand? it's clear from the stats you had played a little bit, you however waited and randomly decided J4o was the hand that you should 3 bet... this goes entirely against what you are saying.
2) It may have been around for ever, in the same way that the world was flat for a long time. It's really not applicable to hu games.
3) Thank you for advising me to look at flopzilla but I have a very good understanding of how our range hits this flop. Not only that but I have a solid understanding of how I would play every part of my range on such a flop.
What you're suggesting is that villain is definitely going to think that you've missed the flop, so i assume that you're cbetting 100% here? can you not see how terrible that would be? If you're not cbetting 100% what are you checking? and why? considering your reasoning previously.
4) A lot of points here
- I got the sizing wrong so i apologise but..
- If villain thinks you have totally whiffed why on earth would he bet big on turn? It makes no sense to bluff big if he thinks you're giving up. I don't understand why you would think that?
- Do you always give up when you cbet flop then check turn? if not, then why would he expect you to just give up turn? Again, no good hu player thinks like this, it should be a range consideration. there will be parts of your range that you want to bet for value, parts you continue to bet as a bluff/draw, parts that you will decide to x/c since they are not strong enough to bet themselves and other parts that you x/f. You've just made up your turn strategy as you went along. You should not just expect him to bet because you think you're levelling him.
5) Why would you give someone no credit, it makes no sense. Again it's a range consideration thing not a levelling game.
I can only assume villain was a fish/bad player when viewing the video but that really shouldn't change the very basic fundamentals that you should have when playing Hu and constructing ranges.
I've skipped on a few details since I have to play a session, but this is my elementary response.
I'm still uncertain about how to view the live ghosting too.
Last edited by pontylad; 08-14-2014 at 07:29 PM.