In today's podcast the Solve for Why group was discussing poker players getting robbed at The Lodge and other places and what poker players and card rooms can do to address this situation. At one point the discussion arrived at the things poker rooms could do to minimize the risk during live streams and how to respond should a player be robbed in such an environment. His solution would be to first discharge the person working in the cage (because they're only a minimum wage worker and easy to replace). If there was another occurrence, then fire the production staff.



Besides the callous nature of the remark ignoring the possibility of innocence on the part of the cage worker and others, he offers a different sentiment when discussing someone from his own community. GG Poker and their ambassador Poker Sasha have parted ways because she "is of little value now." She posted this on twitter and continued, "And I also believed it. I mean, what can I bring to the table married with twin babies? That’s not a poker ambassador." Based off her tweet, we don't know if that's her interpretation or the opinion of GG. Her being a PLO specialist might be a factor if GG is not willing to invest further in that direction. Berkey was sensitive with respect to her predicament, which is fine, but what about the cage worker? Seems to be a bit of "hooray for us and the heck with the little guy" attitude. Cage workers and other minimum wage workers have mouths to feed too. WTF Berkey?

okay, yah, so it's logical, whats the problem

How is firing a potentially innocent man logical?

Didnt really listen to the podcast but Berkey has always striked me as an egotistical psychopath

So I listened to it, thanks for time-stamping it correctly at least, but OP you actually went to the trouble of that lengthy post for THAT innocuous comment? I’m guessing you either have some unsettled beef with Berkey or you’re of the ilk that wakes up every morning wondering what they can be offended about today.

OP did you not hear the part where Berkey pointed out the fact that most Casino and poker robberies involve an inside man . Not sure how cage workers got involved in the discussion but i have no problem holding security responsible because if theirs a robbery on the property they didn't do their job.

Breaking: rich guy doesn’t care about poor people.

Yah i didn't get any of that from the podcast and find it odd you did and went as far as making a thread.

big bet berkey > george rice

When poker players apply card game logic to the real world.

I bet he also uses poker phrases when doing his grocery shopping....

"That brand of strawberry jelly is the nut low, but the one above it is definitely +EV based on it's lower frequency of sugar content."

While I'm very distant from all the 'facts' I've seen where Berkey is very 'con' Texas poker. So for an extreme take on how to investigate/prevent a spot should be of no surprise.

Assuming the cage is monitored it would be pretty easy to catch a worker 'immediately' notifying someone that 'The guy in the blue coat' is headed out the side door with lots of cash. Is there a high roller cage with a limited number of workers? There's no need for a stream for this to happen .. and the exposure of streams makes it even less likely that someone on staff is involved.

For someone who does know the math, but also plays 'all over' I find this to be an 'all over' take rather than a logical take. GL

obviously all poker players use poker terms in real life situations to some extent but grocery shopping, however, is not something we do... so i'll give you 1/2 credit (50% equity on the dollar amount or 100% in sklansky bucks).

This post should've been focused on the more important story of a stream player being robbed in the parking lot of the lodge in daylight for $30k that berkey was discussing

Not one of his multiple solutions he was going through to narrow down a inside job in the case of having a fully isolated stream game where you would have only the players, production, and cage staff knowing who won - and then if people were being robbed would cut cage staff and then production staff finding who was guilty

It would certainly make more sense to delay the stream a longer period of time, even 24 hours, in an effort to reduce the possibility of this happening. But in today's 'now' world and with basically the streaming tables in the open for all the 'members' to see it's glory it'd be a stretch to think that a 'winner' could be undisclosable to those outside the walls of the club.

Easy to think it was not random that this particular person was targeted, but it very well could've been that also. If the perp was dumb enough to mention 'I know you got it' or similar, then you've got to lean towards an inside job. But even in that case it could be just something a perp would say even with limited knowledge of the Player .. just knew he was a higher stakes Player. GL

If it's a live stream then how does the cage person or production crew need to be involved in the robbery at all? They would add very little extra information to any perp

I just watched the whole segment and Berkey, and the other guys, actually broke it down very well and made some excellent observations and points.
It is definitely worth watching the whole segment if you are a live player at any stakes, not just at high stakes.

To your point specifically, he said that the cage person, production crew and security guards would all potentially have knowledge of whether the player left with / is leaving with cash or not.

He did ruin the segment a little at the end with his fire the staff one by one strategy to work out who the culprit of an inside job is.
It makes no sense what he said because a) It is not always an inside job and b) More than one staff member and/or category of staff member could be involved in an inside job.

There are other obvious reasons regarding permutations of the staff, which staff are on duty when, and the timings of when (which date and/or time) crimes take place, that make
his sacking of selective staff idea preposterous.

E.g. You fire a specific cashier after two parking lot robberies happen in a relatively short period of time, the robberies then stop for a while. Well maybe he/she had nothing to do with it, it was a security guard, who then just takes a break from arranging the robberies then starts again. Or it was the cashier and the security guard both doing it, so you fire the cashier and the robberies continue. Berkey, "darn it we fired an innocent person".

Berkey is no doubt also a fan of the ducking stool.

In medieval times until the early 18th century, ducking was a way used to establish whether a suspect was a witch. The ducking stools were first used for this purpose but ducking was later inflicted without the chair. In this instance the subject's right thumb was bound to her left big toe. A rope was tied around the waist of the accused and she was thrown into a river or deep pond. If she floated, it was deemed that she was in league with the devil, rejecting the baptismal water. If she sank, she was "cleared, and dead"

I think Berkey is one of these people who is incredibly intelligent a lot of the time, but pretty stupid some of the time.