Not going hand 4 hand hurts smaller stacks yes. How did nobody notice though? People are usually counting how many remain quite a bit before and it seems like it would be impossible to not realize that other tables are h4h.

The fact that it happened to produce this hand is irrelevant... Just a manifestation of the butterfly effect. In theory you benefitted from this specific hand since he made highly suboptimal choices for a non bubble situation and your response would benefit from it in terms of chip ev. The cost would be incurred in the hands leading up to it which didn’t seem to materially hurt you. Would be a much stickier situation if you narrowly bubbled after having played several more hands than you should have due to not being h4h.

I was in a 90 person satellite and down to two tables and the bubble.... and WSOPc begrudgingly went to H4H when the other table of short stacks were openly stalling.

Give the dealer a button and a buzzer.

Green is go... Red is busto.

Overall, I think they do a great job, but too much technology not to have a better system in a larger field... but they were terribly inefficient with finishing a 2 table satellite.

I agree. The hand would have played differently if the bubble burst and you all cashed. Very possible someone else might have called you with a hand they folded, and the big stack folds.

Many, many things could have been different.

I also agree, the hand is irrelevant and how you played the hand is irrelevant. In the Main Event, where min cash is $15,000 the floor must be aware and go hand for hand earlier.

Why so freaking toxic?

Whether OP is salty or not isn't the point. If you took anything away from what OP posted, I think it would be that there needs to be more uniformity and execution in protocols being extended to poker players playing at the WSOP. Those protocols should also be very clear to players, not assumed, something such as H4H...

I also understand that mistakes happen and it seems that OP understands that as well. However, 'mistakes happen' should never be a guise to remove acknowledgment, accountability, rectification, or future changes. As poker players we understand to some extent that we run the risk of mistakes happening and not ending in our best interests. Should that happen, it is a players prerogative to assess the impact of the mistake. As well as weigh the likelihood of it happening again (which honestly at the WSOP it totally could) and taking action to raise some level of awareness in the community so that the risk of something similar happening to another player in the future could be reduced.

In addition, to use the notion that there was some action taken on behalf of OP (being notified that he is allotted 15k) as a means to annul his rightful frustration in the matter, and put him down for it is honestly just toxic as sh**.


The reality is that mistakes like this can and do cost poker players money. I think that it is in the best interest of not only poker players, but of entities and casinos that offer events like the WSOP that issues like this are addresses and dealt with.

wsop did a bad job
from reading the comments on here it's embarrassing what a bad job they did.

but you aren't making this thread if his bubble abuse caused him to double you up with a hand he would have folded pre. i actually wish you would have made it either way bc they really should learn from this disaster.
hell in a couple of events they went hand for hand with 4-5 left before the bubble burst when anywhere from 150-250 got paid. it's mind numbing to think in the wsop main event with so much more money at stake and with so many more players they wouldnt do a better job.

How did you get that far basically min-raising UTG with AKo?
And why would you min-raise UTG w/ AKo knowing you were so close to the money if you know big stack is 3-betting a lot?

This seems totally standard to me, especially UTG with one's whole playable range.

wtf i thought it was JJ

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You're right, the trick is to raise larger with your better hands and smaller with your weaker ones.

If the original poster wanted strategy advice he would have posted the hand on the strategy portion.

Understanding that the hand would have played different if the bubble had just burst, isn't a strategy comment, it is a fact.

Original poster felt victimized that he lost future equity in the tournament due to mismanagement by WSOP staff. He is correct.

Due I feel he is entitled to reimbursement, beyond his min cash for this mistake? No. Do I agree with him that WSOP staff should handle this situation more professionally in future main events? Absolutely.

What makes you think your finishing position would've been improved by 746 places? That's impressive.

No question the WSOP screwed up the Hand for Hand at the bubble though. Good on you for raising attention to this issue.

Next time don´t mention the hand at all.

The hand and how it was played is totally irrelevant. Bunch of kids here giving strategy advices, that might be right (or wrong), but it is not about strategy at all. It simply doesn´t matter.

WSOP tournament directors or/and dealers fked this up like amateurs. You can´t run a five figure major tournament and not being capable of running a fair bubble. This is so ridiculous and I can fully sympathize with OP. Knowing the bubble phase is already over changes everything.

You call 17, you call 22.

A whole book about a drawing hand

Originally Posted by notTheBubble View Post
I think I have every right to feel cheated out of five figures in equity

LA,

Sorry, my toxicity has negatively impacted your aura. Maybe OP will reappear and tell us exactly how much money he believes he is owed for error, but I doubt it.

I mean, which pro doesnt dream about having half of an average stack at the money bubble where you have to move up another seven hundred plus players to double your min cash?

His own explanation is that he basically did not know he was near the money bubble of the tournament or in the hand he played against the big stack when he called off his stack. He gets an extra five thousand in equity and the ten thousand in actual dollars but wants something else because they only played one hfh.

I'm not owed anything. The point of this thread was to shine a light on the poorly run bubble in an effort to make sure it doesnt happen again, as poker players this is pretty much the only thing we can do (voice complaints ti improve the product).

I've purposely ignored your posts because you sound like a bitter child. Do you want my attention or something? You are projecting about my intentions for sure.

Cheated out of xx,xxx of equity in an dream ending hand that should have never happened, lol, but doing nothing but posting to warn others.... thanks for the public service.

what is your problem? you are doing good job of confirming his view that you're an attention seeking bitter child

Gotta admit, this made me chuckle.

I have played against OP many times and major LOL at NVG idiots criticizing his play. He is miles ahead of almost everyone in this thread.

This H4H thing sucks. WSOP screwed up a bunch of things this summer. This was one of them.

How something like this could happen in the Main Event at the end of the WSOP is simply amazing to me. In other big field events (like the Seniors) they start H4H when they are four or five players short of the money. This has been the case in just about every WSOP tourney that I ever cashed in. How this could happen in the most important event at the WSOP is ridiculous. I strongly suspect something else was going on that caused management to decide to handle this the way that they did. pretty much leaving all the players in the dark about where the bubble was. Someone made a bad decision based on what they believed to be the optimum way to continue. It could have been time related or even have to do with other events (and their breaks) going on at the same time. We may never know who or why this decision was made. I do agree this was a piss poor way to handle a very important moment in the Main Event. I hope someone from the WSOP is paying attention to this thread.

P.S. I played and didn't cash! lol

i agree people shouldnt criticize his play and he's right in pointing out how the wsop really messed up the bubble.

but it's his super results oriented whining about losing the hand and being knocked out that rubs people the wrong way. whether he lost the hand, won the hand or just get dealt rags and the bubble burst the content of what he's saying about them messing up the bubble would be correct. but he doesn't make the thread if he wins the hand or just doesn't get dealt the hand to begin with.

The best way to do this would be to not even mention the fact you were the initial bubble boy or your "bad beat" story at all.It completely takes away from how badly the wsop handled the bubble. It's like when someone makes a strategy post on here that's really just a disguised bad beat/cooler story they never would have posted if they won.

I mean i'd be pretty pissed off if i blinded off a bunch of chips thinking we were on the bubble when it had burst already. I would not be mad about my AK getting action from 76.

This. OP feels bad about what went down but really what he is mad about is just the general cussedness of life.

Fate is a comedian. You are the straight man. Deal with it.