Maybe not for you, but the guy whose money is at stake? Seems like it might be a little too complicated for him.

I meant more along the lines of he should just read my posts

Looks like it is the next step for me.

Waste your money if you like

Ok, that's not great news for me. Let's see what will happen.

I would like to clarify how can I express my point of view on my Russian residency.
Also I would like to know what to do in case they will make me wait forever.

1. There is no 'point of view'. Either you live in Canada or Russia
2. Wait. Don't rock the boat.

1. I live in Russia, but chilling out in Canada because of war, without doing any taxable activities.
2. Roger that

This might be nomenclature, but what do you mean by a "tracking number"? Any international wire should have an MT103 to accompany it - is that what Paris is refusing to provide?

Have you ensured that the payment is not being held due to an OFAC issue? With the current hostilities the sanctions are pretty broad and would guess even non-sanctioned people / entities could be confused based on something as simple as a similar name.

As related, Paris refusing to provide wire details is a bit weird. I agree with other posters that they are not just randomly trying to screw someone who cashed in WSOP for this amount of money. They are heavily regulated and owned by Caesars so I feel confident saying you have either misinterpreted their actions or they are being directed to hold the payment.

If they were not refusing to provide wire details, I would agree with others that this process is unique with dual citizenship (one of the nations being under heavy sanctions) and just needs time to work it's way through the financial institutions.

I would just have them recall the wire and go to the cage myself once they indicated everything is in order and I can be paid. If they refuse to payout after that you can post your conspiracy theories and I will take them seriously.

Great answer, thanks.

No, this is what they provided in the beginning when I requested some information. And that was it.




Wow actually there’s payment ID, not sure if that’s what’s needed though. Will check with the bank next week. And it does exist, contrary to mr. Rich’s statement in the e-mail I posted.

I hope someone directed them to hold the transfer, which would be at least a little bit understandable.

I had sent these documents to my buddy who works at TD he couldn’t find anything.

And someone suggested recalling will only slow down the investigation process.

The basic rule of thumb with Caesars is, "Never attribute their actions to malice which can be explained by incompetence."

Except here I'm not even sure there's any incompetence going on. As others have explained, this is a complex situation, given your Canadian residency and Russian nationality, plus various US sanctions against Russia.

There is absolutely zero point zero chance that Caesars is trying to stiff you out of $188k. I can say this despite the presence of a vampire on Andy Rich's profile.

Unlike others in this thread, I don't care if you're trying to stiff Canada out of tax paymets. That's between you and Canada, and not really our business.

However, you need to understand that this is a complex situation, very possibly out of Paris' control. And even if it is within their control, it might be unusual enough to where they don't quite understand how to handle it.

Either way, you're being offered to recall the wire.

Ask them the timetable to recall it. Then have them do it, and schedule a trip to Vegas to pick up the cash for when it's likely to be done. You'll lose 30%, but that's the way it goes being a foreign player at the WSOP.

There's really nothing more to say at this point.

My problem is that I don’t like it when people not only don’t want to pay their fair share but then bitch about having to, and blame others for their own problems. Other than that, not much.

Here are some questions for you. Let’s see if you are willing to answer them:

Do you think Paris is attempting to cheat him out of his money?

Do you think the employees he called out deserved to be dragged into this and have their names posted here?

Do you think he could solve all of this by flying to Vegas to collect his money?

Do you think he should pay a tax attorney to advise him of his actual responsibilities? (The two of you could split the cost and perhaps both learn something.)

IOW, you're not even a resident of Canada, since in Ontario non-citizen residents receive the same free guvviment health care as the rest of us. But ty for the tea

My point is he's making very direct statements about his beliefs about the taxability of his situation. If he's willing to risk screwing around with CRA on the basis of his google searches or the forum posts of "Pete Blow", more power to him. Back when I first heard about the need to file US taxes as a citizen no matter where you were in the world from this forum, I hired a tax professional to help me navigate the need to file both in Canada and the USA every year, along with FBAR and other documents. Is it super complicated? Not really. But I sleep a lot better knowing I have an certified tax preparer in the US to deal with this rather than trusting myself.

He's obviously got significant poker income. He's already tried to just "lets figure it out for myself" and has a 6 figure wire transfer in limbo. This is well worth a few hundred bucks to a professional to get answers that not only he's sure are right, but will be backed up by a certified professional if he gets audited. I'm all for him trying to avoid as much tax as he can. Just do it correctly.

It's hard to comprehend when so many players consider a 30% tax on mtt winnings "a fair share".
And I warned those people multiple times that unless I receive a clarifying answer on what's going on I will go to forum to seek help.
I think I have all rights in the world to request the proper wire info to track it on my end.
There's a number of things they could've done differently, which raises suspicions, and I'm not calling Andrew Rich a vampire, only stating that he picked a vamprire picture for his linkedin page

I was nice all the time. I asked a cage manager about using a Russian passport to receive the payout. He said "No problem".

Then they asked about my plans on how to receive a transfer via e-mail, without signing this e-mail, so I can't tell who was in charge of it.
Then they refused my wire info, and put my Russian address instead. And now they refuse to provide proper wire details.
They claim banks required additional information, and they gave it to them. But they never asked about my Canadian address, even "just in case"
I don't believe in such level of incompetence, sorry. Something else must be going on.

This. The thread could be locked after this response.

"Chilling" in Canada sounds a lot like living there

You come to me to collect the money I owe you on the terms you chose.

I say sure come I welcome you.

You come and give me your banking info. I say no thanks I dont want to look at it, just fill out this form with no address and everything will be absolutely fine. I work here for 20 years and worked pretty much with every bank in North America.

My reputation is indisputable, so you agree.

Then I compose this wire transfer and without raising an eyebrow send it to fly. It just never occured to me that this address issue could be a problem.

The wire obviously gets stuck, and now the best I can do is to tell you that there is a delay and you can go find out in your bank, but I will not give you any information because I choose so. And I'm not even sure what you are asking about, and at this point this is all I can tell you. But, you can come and fill out a recall form but it usually takes 14 business days. It's a good option. (wink)

Would you be ok with that?

finally some hi-level critical thinking! great job!

There was another option to negotiate over the phone and perhaps in person, but you already know my concerns..

p.s. i replied why. he replied with recall option

You lost me when you said you thought Caesar's reputation was indisputable. They have consistently proven themselves incompetent in dealing with anything other than the most standard of situations.

Now we are talking. Most posters here suggest that these people are basically saints and work like a swiss clock, and I should respectfully do what they say.



https://www.wsop.com/2022/2023-WSOP-...ment-Rules.pdf

The only rule about taxes here is that all players are subject to taxation.

I got my ceasars card with my russian id, entered a tournament, and all of a sudden I should pay taxes as a Canadian. Does not seem very logical.
It's a world championship and I want to represent Russia (not only because of the taxes, although it plays a major role, but also representing the school). Let's say these were Winter Olympics in USA, and I somehow made a cut, had a lucky run and received a bronze medal in bobsleigh competition. But I trained all year in Canada, should I be taxed as a Canadian?

It seems like OP’s real complaint should be toward the Russian government for taking senseless ongoing actions to provoke Western financial sanctions. The WSOP has no control over this. They aren’t trying to screw you over personally, and they don’t care whether you have to pay taxes on the money or not. Unless you have a rock solid plan to depose Putin, your best course of action would be to cancel the wire and collect the money in person.