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01-23-2019 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mizzoulegend
Its the very first thought I had, closely followed by the lack of a PLO tourney in the $1000-1500 range.
Looks like they got rid of the $550 PLO unless they are still adding. That was popular/fun tourney.
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01-23-2019 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by WiCane
Looks like they got rid of the $550 PLO unless they are still adding. That was popular/fun tourney.
They are still adding. I doubt they removed both the $365 & $565 PLO events.

They really butchered the O8 events though:

* Minor gripe: They moved the $10K LO8 event up 3 days... but then moved the $1.5k event back a day. Not a big deal, but I don't understand why they usually hold these events so early in the series and the Mixed/PL O8 events near the end of the series.

* Major gripe: They moved the Mixed O8 event from the middle of the series to between the $1.5k & $10k PLO events (actually the day before the $10k). So now one has to choose between the Mixed event and the $10k (and even worse, between the Mixed event and the Megasat into the $10k).

I just don't see how this makes sense. For those that don't really have BR for $10k events, the O8 possibilities should be: $1.5k LO8, Megasat LO8, Mixed O8, $1.5k. They could space those events out over 2-3 weeks, but instead do so over 4+ weeks. Instead of people possibly playing five $1-1.5k O8 events (incl. Megasats), one would have to make two separate trips or spend over 4 weeks in Vegas just to play what appears to be a max of 4. It's like they are inviting Venetian to eat their lunch.
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01-23-2019 , 06:56 PM
Big 50 structure is out.

- Paying 15% of the field
- Each starting flight (4 flights) has its own separate Day 2
- 12 levels of play on Day 1
- 8 levels of play on Day 2, money made on Day 2
- Field consolidated on Day 3
- Register early, they anticipate sellouts, especially for the weekend flights
- 50k starting stack, 50 minute levels, BBA:
100/200/200
100/300/300
200/400/400
300/600/600
400/800/800
500/1000/1000
600/1200/1200
800/1600/1600
1000/2000/2000
1000/2500/2500
2000/3000/3000
2000/4000/4000
3000/5000/5000
3/6/6
4/8/8
5/10/10
6/12/12
and so on.

Seems like a REALLY good structure for a $500 tournament. My only complaint is I prefer the bigger SB in levels like 100/300/300, would prefer 200/300/300 to encourage action, but hey. Starting stack in a $500 8 hours in is still over 20 bigs.
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01-23-2019 , 10:41 PM
Link to big 50 structure
http://www.wsop.com/2019/the-big-50/
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01-24-2019 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by AllInNTheDark
They are still adding. I doubt they removed both the $365 & $565 PLO events.

They really butchered the O8 events though:

* Minor gripe: They moved the $10K LO8 event up 3 days... but then moved the $1.5k event back a day. Not a big deal, but I don't understand why they usually hold these events so early in the series and the Mixed/PL O8 events near the end of the series.

* Major gripe: They moved the Mixed O8 event from the middle of the series to between the $1.5k & $10k PLO events (actually the day before the $10k). So now one has to choose between the Mixed event and the $10k (and even worse, between the Mixed event and the Megasat into the $10k).

I just don't see how this makes sense. For those that don't really have BR for $10k events, the O8 possibilities should be: $1.5k LO8, Megasat LO8, Mixed O8, $1.5k. They could space those events out over 2-3 weeks, but instead do so over 4+ weeks. Instead of people possibly playing five $1-1.5k O8 events (incl. Megasats), one would have to make two separate trips or spend over 4 weeks in Vegas just to play what appears to be a max of 4. It's like they are inviting Venetian to eat their lunch.
Mixed O8 is on 27th, not 21st. 2500 OE is on 21st. Both 1500 and 10k O8 have always been at beginning of series. This is the third year they have had 10k plo8 and has always been at end of series. But I know what you mean as a fellow mixed player...too many options, not enough time. GL to you in whatever you play.
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01-24-2019 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Hendricks
They have announced the weekend tournaments......

http://www.wsop.com/news/2018/Dec/10...-OF-POKER.html

$500 entry (no rake 1st entry) / 50,000 chips and 50 minute levels / $1 million to winner / $5 million guarantee replaces the Colossus on the opening weekend.

Looks like more chips in several events (60,000 in the Main) so be interesting to see the structures!
the structure for the BIG50 is now out what does everyone think of it,if you play day1 30th may your day2 is may31th 8 levels but DAY3 is 5th june thoughts ladies and gents
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01-24-2019 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by seiken_nick
Mixed O8 is on 27th, not 21st. 2500 OE is on 21st. Both 1500 and 10k O8 have always been at beginning of series. This is the third year they have had 10k plo8 and has always been at end of series. But I know what you mean as a fellow mixed player...too many options, not enough time. GL to you in whatever you play.
Yes, Mixed O8 is on 27th and $10k PLO8 is on 28th, so Mixed O8 is same day as megasat to $10K PLO8, which seems far from ideal. I understand there's going to be overlaps, and the LO8 events are usually (not always) near the start of the series, but I still think it could be scheduled a lot better. GL to you as well!
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01-24-2019 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by shellly39
the structure for the BIG50 is now out what does everyone think of it,if you play day1 30th may your day2 is may31th 8 levels but DAY3 is 5th june thoughts ladies and gents
If the wait between day 1a and day 3 is a concern, don’t play day 1a and play 1d instead?
It also allows you to bust on day 2a and then enter 1c or 1d.
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01-24-2019 , 11:41 AM
Does anyone know when one will be able to register online for Big 50? I want to make sure to get my spot on the last day 1 flight. I already booked tickets and hotel.
Also, if something comes up, can you get a refund if you’ve registered online?
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01-24-2019 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by shantideva
Does anyone know when one will be able to register online for Big 50? I want to make sure to get my spot on the last day 1 flight. I already booked tickets and hotel.
Also, if something comes up, can you get a refund if you’ve registered online?

Dunno when it will open. If you unregister, you will get a refund of the buyin but if you regged with a credit card, not a refund of the processing fee which last year was 3%.
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01-24-2019 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
Dunno when it will open. If you unregister, you will get a refund of the buyin but if you regged with a credit card, not a refund of the processing fee which last year was 3%.
Thank you very much. This is my first time playing in the World Series. I don’t want to miss my chance. I hope to fold my way into the money. LOL.
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01-24-2019 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by shantideva
Thank you very much. This is my first time playing in the World Series. I don’t want to miss my chance. I hope to fold my way into the money. LOL.

Good luck and have fun!!
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01-24-2019 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
If the wait between day 1a and day 3 is a concern, don’t play day 1a and play 1d instead?
It also allows you to bust on day 2a and then enter 1c or 1d.
The schedule is really smart. Would suck to bag on 1a, then have to wait 3 days to come back to play day 2. This way, you play 2 straight days (or 2 in 3 for 1d), and at least you are in the money before you have to play Day 3 on 6/5.

However, you can't bust Day 2a and enter a subsequent flight. Once you survive a flight with chips, and you don't surrender those chips, you may not enter subsequent flights, per the WSOP site.
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01-24-2019 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
The schedule is really smart. Would suck to bag on 1a, then have to wait 3 days to come back to play day 2. This way, you play 2 straight days (or 2 in 3 for 1d), and at least you are in the money before you have to play Day 3 on 6/5.

However, you can't bust Day 2a and enter a subsequent flight. Once you survive a flight with chips, and you don't surrender those chips, you may not enter subsequent flights, per the WSOP site.
I can barely get the time off work as it is, so I will do my first day on the last flight. I thought about playing the flight before just in case I need to rebuy, but I just can’t get the days off.
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01-24-2019 , 02:17 PM
So first entry is $500+$0 and re-entries are $435+$65?

That's a pretty odd way to have a rake free tournament. My guess is the benefit to players is pretty small. I know they are trying to move to whole numbers to save time at the cage, but I had assumed this would be $500+$0 and $500+$65 for re-entries(possibly taking staff fees off every entry).

This isn't really rake-free on first entry. Without a discount everyone is paying the same rake.

Last edited by TheJacob; 01-24-2019 at 02:30 PM.
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01-24-2019 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by shantideva
I can barely get the time off work as it is, so I will do my first day on the last flight. I thought about playing the flight before just in case I need to rebuy, but I just can’t get the days off.

Do you work M-F? If so, playing Sat could be best, since it plays Sat then Mon as opposed to Sun then Tue, requiring two days off.

If not, then the first two flights play directly back to back which would only cost two days as opposed to three unless you make the money.
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01-24-2019 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TheJacob
So first entry is $500+$0 and re-entries are $435+$65?

That's a pretty odd way to have a rake free tournament. My guess is the benefit to players is pretty small. I know they are trying to move to whole numbers to save time at the cage, but I had assumed this would be $500+$0 and $500+$65 for re-entries(possibly taking staff fees off every entry).

This isn't really rake-free on first entry. Without a discount everyone is paying the same rake.

I don’t understand your point. I agree it is kind of dumb because most players won’t know the difference. But on the first buyin the whole thing goes in the prize pool. The casino only pulls juice on re-entries. This makes the overall prize pool much larger than it would otherwise be.

What if they ran a $500+0 freezeout? Would you see it wasn’t really a rake-free tourney because there’s no discount?
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01-24-2019 , 04:26 PM
I have a question about the Main Event. There are 3 Day 1 starts(A, B & C). Can someone tell me how Day 2 works?

Day 1A is July 3rd
Day 1B is July 4th
Day 1C is July 5th

Is Day 2 for all 3 flights on July 6th or are they split over July 6th and 7th and Day 3 is a combined field on July 8th? Planning my schedule and need this info which I can't find anywhere. Any help is appreciated.

DGI
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01-24-2019 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518

What if they ran a $500+0 freezeout? Would you see it wasn’t really a rake-free tourney because there’s no discount?
That's actually rake free. This is a marketing gimmick where they are actually taking $30-$50 on every entry.

They increased rake on re-entries and there is no benefit on the initial entry because there isn't a discount. It doesn't matter which entries the rake comes from. Rake is Rake.

If everyone pays the same total amount then everyone pays the same rake/fee. They are splashing "rake free" all over marketing materials, but in reality the impact is negligible. At best its probably something like $460+$40.

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01-24-2019 , 05:03 PM
It is a scam kinda but the structure is good so I think you are overestimating the % of entries that will be reentries.
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01-24-2019 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dgis back
I have a question about the Main Event. There are 3 Day 1 starts(A, B & C). Can someone tell me how Day 2 works?

Day 1A is July 3rd
Day 1B is July 4th
Day 1C is July 5th

Is Day 2 for all 3 flights on July 6th or are they split over July 6th and 7th and Day 3 is a combined field on July 8th? Planning my schedule and need this info which I can't find anywhere. Any help is appreciated.

DGI
Usually A and B day 2 is the 6th and C day 2 is the 7th and all combine to day 3 on 8th.
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01-24-2019 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
Do you work M-F? If so, playing Sat could be best, since it plays Sat then Mon as opposed to Sun then Tue, requiring two days off.

If not, then the first two flights play directly back to back which would only cost two days as opposed to three unless you make the money.
I work any day, really. Problem is, vacation has been assigned for that time period already. I’m gonna have to switch days with people and stuff.
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01-30-2019 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
If the wait between day 1a and day 3 is a concern, don’t play day 1a and play 1d instead?
It also allows you to bust on day 2a and then enter 1c or 1d.
yeah day2a 31st may day3 being 5th june ya can play multi day tourney somewhere else ie venetian or planet Hollywood maybe gotta wait for there schedules thou but be possibilitys for certain,is anybody doing the multi schedule page as has happened previously??
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01-30-2019 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
However, you can't bust Day 2a and enter a subsequent flight. Once you survive a flight with chips, and you don't surrender those chips, you may not enter subsequent flights, per the WSOP site.
WSOP has edited their rules to clarify that you can, in fact, bust Day 2 and register subsequent Day 1 flights if available. So some people will probably cash it twice.
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01-30-2019 , 02:31 PM
as I said in the other thread

im booking my big 50 fight but my flight leaves on day 3, I don't care since I doubt i ll even make it to day 2 so its no wrry to me. I thinkbig 50 tructure should be, form what ive read, the best low buy in structure we posibly have ever seen since its actually decently slow!
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