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Old 06-19-2018, 09:07 PM   #201
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Hereís another spoiler. Mike Leah has one of the most tilting mannerisms with looking at his cards. Besides the annoying wing span peak, his sleeves are covered over his entire hands.

If I was Jack Effel I would give him a 15 min penalty as a warning.
+1 It's beyond tilting to watch. Rooting so hard for him bust because of it. Him, Glazer and Smith just play so slow compared to Grinder & Johnny World.
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Old 06-19-2018, 10:21 PM   #202
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Wow, I'm completely unfamiliar with LHE, but was Rast's cold call of a flop 3bet standard? And I'm even more confused by his turn check raise (TT on Q95K), was he bluffing?
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:26 AM   #203
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Hennigan now guaranteed to take over the lead in the POY race regardless of where he finishes.
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Old 06-20-2018, 01:16 AM   #204
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A new name I have been seeing a lot in the NL updates is "Stephen Song". Has been a big stack late in many NL events already. Prior to this year, no chases in the WSOP. I watched him play some when I railed a couple weeks ago and looks like a name to watch for sure.
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Old 06-20-2018, 01:41 AM   #205
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Nice ship by the grinder. His 3rd PPC. Impressive.
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Old 06-20-2018, 01:45 AM   #206
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It was a three way hand where the board was all over Glasser's range after he called two cold out of the BB and raised the flop. For Rast to win the hand, Glasser would have to not have a set (99,QQ,KK), two pair (KQ), straight (JTs), or he would have to fold an overpair (AA), top pair Ace kicker (AK), second pair straight draw (QJs), or AQ.*

an addition to Glasser having one of the latter hands and making the fold, Mizrachi has to be going nuts with a flush draw that doesn't contain a King or a Queen and not have a heart come on the river (or an Ace if he had Ax of hearts).

Its just way too much of a parlay to be at all reasonable. This isn't even factoring the fact its a tournament approaching the final table and the pay jumps, which makes it a lot worse imo

* I think we can ignore Glasser not 4 betting preflop with regards to his range for a couple of reasons. One, never 4 betting in the BB here is a common strategy (I don't know Glasser's limit holdem background though and I know a lot of tourney players and players from 4 bet max regions 4 bet more). The other reason I'm ignoring it is because if he does have a 4 bet range, I'm guessing it still keeps the number of combos in his never fold and might fold range pretty much the same.
The argument for not 4bettkng pre is in spots where your range becomes too transparent ... in this spot you could 4bet really wide for value alone so it makes no sense to disguise. I think eliminating sets from glassers range is reasonable albeit not with a high degree of confidence. whether he can have KQ is another issue since not 4bettkng the flop in that spot is actually a thing.

Still seems like too expensive of a bluff to MAYBE get heads up against a range that he probably has 17%ish equity against. Clearly not optimal. Probably is banking on the miz frequently showing up with something stupid like T9, AJ and all sorts of small flush draws that most don’t open pre.
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Old 06-20-2018, 04:00 AM   #207
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The argument for not 4bettkng pre is in spots where your range becomes too transparent ... in this spot you could 4bet really wide for value alone so it makes no sense to disguise. I think eliminating sets from glassers range is reasonable albeit not with a high degree of confidence. whether he can have KQ is another issue since not 4bettkng the flop in that spot is actually a thing.

Still seems like too expensive of a bluff to MAYBE get heads up against a range that he probably has 17%ish equity against. Clearly not optimal. Probably is banking on the miz frequently showing up with something stupid like T9, AJ and all sorts of small flush draws that most don’t open pre.
You are right, we should be able to discount 99, QQ, and KK (and AA) since he didn't four bet on the flop. They are still in his range when Rast decides to call two cold back to him though.

KQ and AQ seem like the two most likely hands, along with QJs and JTs smaller portion of the time. Rast prob gets a fold 55% of the time here.

Doesn't make it much better imo
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:24 AM   #208
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Wow, I'm completely unfamiliar with LHE, but was Rast's cold call of a flop 3bet standard? And I'm even more confused by his turn check raise (TT on Q95K), was he bluffing?
I don't think their was a 3bet on the flop. Rast lead out, Benny just called w/AQ and then Grinder raised.

Rast check-raised on the turn cause he thought he was ahead of Grinder, but not Benny and want to get his AQ to fold.
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:29 AM   #209
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Wow, I'm completely unfamiliar with LHE, but was Rast's cold call of a flop 3bet standard? And I'm even more confused by his turn check raise (TT on Q95K), was he bluffing?
I dont think calling flop is super standard. yeah he's bluffing turn. I think the turn play makes more sense. making it two big bets will get Glaser off his Qx as long as it isnt KQ. and then he's up against Mizrachi with two hearts on board.

he talked about the hand on the stream last night and he thinks since Mizrachi was a big chip leader, he could be light or have hearts a lot. it seems the flop play is more of a regret than the turn. he is representing and blocking JT which Mizrachi ends up having.

When Mizrachi does have a flush draw, rast looks like a genius. but rast also mentions that mizrachi should check back a good % of his draws on the turn. but imo as the chip leader and an over card hitting turn, i think MM continues to apply pressure in many cases
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Old 06-20-2018, 07:17 AM   #210
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I don't think their was a 3bet on the flop. Rast lead out, Benny just called w/AQ and then Grinder raised.

Rast check-raised on the turn cause he thought he was ahead of Grinder, but not Benny and want to get his AQ to fold.
Glasser raised the flop and mizrachi 3 bet
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Old 06-20-2018, 07:20 AM   #211
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I dont think calling flop is super standard. yeah he's bluffing turn. I think the turn play makes more sense. making it two big bets will get Glaser off his Qx as long as it isnt KQ. and then he's up against Mizrachi with two hearts on board.

he talked about the hand on the stream last night and he thinks since Mizrachi was a big chip leader, he could be light or have hearts a lot. it seems the flop play is more of a regret than the turn. he is representing and blocking JT which Mizrachi ends up having.

When Mizrachi does have a flush draw, rast looks like a genius. but rast also mentions that mizrachi should check back a good % of his draws on the turn. but imo as the chip leader and an over card hitting turn, i think MM continues to apply pressure in many cases
Neither the King or Queen was a heart, so if Mizrachi had a flush draw and didn't check back the turn, there is a very good chance he has either the King or Queen
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Old 06-20-2018, 08:47 PM   #212
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Played the 1500 LH today. It was crazy. Some curvy Arab looking girl kept yelling and screaming at the dealers . Every time she screamed floor action stopped at like 5-7 tables. It was quite a spectacle. She may have been a reg cause she kept running from table to table telling every one about her problem dealers. Only in Vegas smh
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Old 06-20-2018, 09:21 PM   #213
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What’s different about the shootout as opposed to a regular NL tourney?
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Old 06-20-2018, 09:27 PM   #214
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Whatís different about the shootout as opposed to a regular NL tourney?
I suggest you google the term "poker shootout" It's played as a series of 1-table tournaments, where when you win your table, you move on to the next one, instead of tables being merged as people fall away

So for example, you could have a 81 player shootout, where it's 9x 9-handed tables played like a SNG pretty much. The winner of each SNG reaches the 9-man final table. That's a shootout. Win your table=move on to next level
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Old 06-20-2018, 09:32 PM   #215
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I suggest you google the term "poker shootout" It's played as a series of 1-table tournaments, where when you win your table, you move on to the next one, instead of tables being merged as people fall away

So for example, you could have a 81 player shootout, where it's 9x 9-handed tables played like a SNG pretty much. The winner of each SNG reaches the 9-man final table. That's a shootout. Win your table=move on to next level
Thank you. You’re a kind soul. I hope Jesus blesses you many times over. I don’t find anything on the WSOP site that describes the differences between the different types of tournies, like the marathon and collosus.

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Old 06-20-2018, 09:44 PM   #216
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Thank you. Youíre a kind soul. I hope Jesus blesses you many times over. I donít find anything on the WSOP site that describes the differences between the different types of tournies, like the marathon and collosus.
Price point and structure.
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Old 06-20-2018, 09:46 PM   #217
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Price point and structure.
The price point is obvious, but there isnít much info on the different structures. I plan to play in an event or two next year, but itís too th to choose which one would be best for me based on my experience (cash games, virtually no MTT) and best structure.
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Old 06-21-2018, 01:29 AM   #218
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Shootouts are awesome. Wish there were offered more at casinos. They are great to watch because the players can't just fold and ladder up. It encourages more crrarubf and dynamic play
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Old 06-21-2018, 01:36 AM   #219
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The price point is obvious, but there isnít much info on the different structures. I plan to play in an event or two next year, but itís too th to choose which one would be best for me based on my experience (cash games, virtually no MTT) and best structure.
The WSOP posts the structure sheet for every event on their website. Go to http://www.wsop.com/tournaments. Under the name of each event there is a link that says "structure sheet".
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Old 06-21-2018, 01:38 AM   #220
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the stud FT had so much angst LOL

grantd dealer wasnt the best, i didnt thik he was bad. so muhc angst tho all around.

also LOL not wanting to take a 5min break
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:21 AM   #221
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Glasser raised the flop and mizrachi 3 bet
Ok my bad. Pretty thin call on the flop by Rast.
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Old 06-21-2018, 01:37 PM   #222
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the stud FT had so much angst LOL

grantd dealer wasnt the best, i didnt thik he was bad. so muhc angst tho all around.

also LOL not wanting to take a 5min break
yea that first couple hours was great.
then nick left the booth and they brought in gross jeff so i shut it off
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Too bad we can't bump this 11-year old thread:

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Thanks a ton for that... that was fascinating! Albini seems like such a solid guy, mad respect for him.

One weird thing - does anyone have a clue why Albini's old website now redirects to Cole South's website?
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:37 AM   #224
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Watching the shootout final table. Lee has a huge head. Do you think he has a hard time finding hats to wear that fit him?
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wowzers looks like velador went full monkey tilt 3m to bust in 30 mins!
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