Part of the reason edit shows can run a strong narrative is that they have months and months to look up backgrounds and feed that into the show

Like talent shows

So each player can have a 'doing it for my mum' type BS story

But some of them will fly, and as you say they can edit the shows around future big moments

That's the advantage of pre recorded shows

But pre recorded cost more to make, and you lose the live / anything could happen element

You just need to hope for a Hesp [or a 'stand up comic'... etc] and then hope they go deep

Nah, let them stick to stuff like Nick asking Ali why he got hard.

Those two are funny and Nick does an awesome job on the commentary.

Keep it as is please.

In the end this debate is basically purely recreational players that aren’t tryna improve vs pros/Recs who do try to improve

Some go to casino get drunk and throw chips. These ppl are gonna prefer Lon and Norm. They just want see ‘sick beats and action’.

Some find the fun in competing and learning new ways to think These are your ppl who can play 10 hours and not get drunk. These are Ali/Schumann ppl.


This is also why some need storylines and some don’t.

truth

mentioned this earlier on in the Day 6 action. i have him as a pretty big dog to final table.

thx. i never got the word on who that was.



good post.

it's ENG in a WC. the loss on pens is incoming ldo. the match will last the maximum amount of time.



works for me.

Joe Cada is a decent story line to push at casual players IMO.

In 2009, he short-stack-ninja'd his way to the title, and he's in position to try it again.

A big plus: short stack play is something that casual players can get excited about (weeeeee! all in) and usually have a better grasp of.

my fave Alisms from Day 6 [Part B] coverage

on Souza's bust out hand

"it seems like Souza lined up in the punt formation on this one Nick"

when Fletcher, Rean and Saechao got into it a bit on the slow play

"speaking of testes... there's a lot of ego out there"

after Fletcher's double-up with Ah3h (and the players clapping for one another)

"late night contagion of the clap"

discussing the graphics dept looking for the action to get to 27 so that they could head out for the night

"i heard that the gentleman club's buffet sometimes beckons"

I don’t know if bracelet winner in and of itself is much of a storyline. (Cada’s ME excepted of course.) The best stories seems to be players with no bracelets or lots of them. In between is often just Yep, another youngish guy who is good at the pokers.

At this point I find a little of Lon and Norm’s shtick goes a long way, and the current coverage is a very long way. Especially since whoever else is in the booth ends up mostly playing along with them. ESPN knows its audience better than I do, but I’m curious how much of a casual audience is watching full coverage of the early rounds.

You can’t really split them up at this point, but a booth with one color commentator like Norm and two pros might be a better mix.

Cada has definitely had a good conformation story in his career. Remember when he won it he was considered kind of a luckbox undeserved winner because he hit several cards at the final table and beat a weak player in Darvin Moon heads up. But he has certainly established himself as one of the best main event winners ever at this point.

to be fair, he did luckbox it.

But, still, he's a good player.

Day 7 history:

Day 7 chip leader finish

2017: Christian Pham, 19th
2016: Vojtech Ruzicka, 5th
2015: Thomas Kearney, 15th (top 3 stacks all missed final table)
2014: Martin Jacobsen, 1st (but he had a poor day 7 as he was a short stack heading into the final table)
2013: Anton Morgenstern, 20th
2012: Marc Ladouceur, 13th
2011: Anton Makiievskyi, 8th
2010: Joseph Cheong, 3rd

so only half have made the final table.


Where eventual winner was in chips entering day 7

2017: Scott Blumstein, 8th
2016: Qui Nguyen, 25th
2015: Joe McKeehen, 4th
2014: Martin Jacobsen, 1st
2013: Ryan Riess, 20th
2012: Greg Merson, 12th
2011: Pius Heinz, 11th
2010: Jonathan Duhamel, 7th

Where was Cada in chips of Day 7 when he won?

Couldn't find that. The chip reports started in 2010 on the WSOP site. It mentioned Moon was Day 7 chip leader but no list of chip stacks for all 27 remaining in 2009.

Pokergo is the better show than ESPN because of their excellent commentary! The repartee between Lon and Norman has gotten stale and Lon is basically clueless about poker, even after all these years. I don't want to get into all the mistakes he makes, but suffice to say he can rarely get through a hand without miscalling something. Meanwhile Ali and Nick both know poker and really get into how the hands are playing out. Nick is absolutely the best poker commentator of all time! He is knowledgeable, articulate and timely with his assessments. Despite all his own success as a top speed player, he remains modest and displays great humor in his ongoing dialogue with Ali. Thumbs up to Pokergo for putting these two guys in the box and making their shows so entertaining.

Does Kelly Minkin's face annoy anyone else?

LOL!

uhhhhh no she's pretty hot imo

idk what she was doing on that QJo hand though. huge punt.

Since action has not yet commenced for the day, maybe I can get away with one more Lon story. I watched some of the early ESPN action with my middle school daughter who, quite understandably, has a very limited experience playing poker (just playing poker with me around the kitchen table). I have taught her poker hand rankings and the rules of holdem. I guess we have watched a fair amount of poker together on ESPN and live streams.

Anyway, a hand comes up on the broadcast. I cannot remember the details but one player has a double-gutter. Lon mistakenly says that the player has a gutshot draw. My daughter says "No, Lon, he has a double-gutter." I didn't even know she knew the term or what it meant!

I say that she is right but sometimes a double-gutter is hard to spot right away and Lon is probably doing several things at once and it's no big deal that he overlooked a double-gutter. (On later streets Lon repeats his mistake and says that the player only has a gutshot draw.)

Later in the broadcast two players are heads-up to the river. I cannot remember the exact hands but I think one player has AQ and the other player all-in and at risk has Q9. No flush or straight possibilities. One card to come. Lon says the all-in player needs either a Queen or a Nine to survive. (Clearly he loses if a Q comes.) My daughter immediately yells out "Oh, c'mon Lon!" We watch the rest of the broadcast on mute.

Rooting for Hutter and Cada (and maybe Dyer) to make the final table... Don't really care about any of the other random names.

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If a woman were to win..would there be another poker boom? This time female heavy...meaning taking money from fish girls in masses...doesn't seem right. Is that sexist?

i'm guessing we'll get Nejad/Schulman all day on PG? and a chance that we are down to the final table before midnight and ESPN even comes on the air...

can i use my one time here?

I think there might be a slight increase in women playing but no new boom.

Gogogo Alex Lynskey. Watched him play on the live stream when he made the aussie millions final table in 2016 and was very impressed, super solid.

Enjoying the pokergo coverage. I agree w/ most of you on Ali&Nick, great comm team.

Maybe slight but I think a bigger boom would b caused by an Indian or Chinese winner.

Haha that is great!

I know him, the guy was playing super tifht, a 5 bet shove when someone all in already is a super strong hand!

People get bans here for all kind of reasons. How about talking about the physical appearance of female players going on that list?