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Let me be clear. I said that THE RIO is not cool with ESPN seeing your whole cards whenever they want. If you can prove the WSOP is cool with ESPN forcing you to show them your cards on any street they want, during the play a hand, then I will ship the $. I'm talking about out in the field, not featured tables.

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07-12-2014 , 09:55 PM

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That's not what we're arguing.
ESPN likes to take a peek with their mobile camera at the end of the hand. They don't ask a player to show the cards mid-hand. That would be mental.
As I have already explained, they request a peek so they can then add in the hole card graphic for the highlight show.
It has also been shown on the ESPN coverage and in the Pokernews blogs in the past that players have made a fold but have then been told to show their cards to the ESPN camera - sometime referred to as double pain - losing the hand AND having to show cards to camera.

Now, back in your hole (or is it whole?)

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07-12-2014 , 09:56 PM

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It's a simple assumption that when hole card cams are not in use they can only look at hole cards at the completion of a hand and not during a hand. So the during a hand argument seems irrelevant; however, even at tables without hole card cams the agreement does contemplate that they can look at your hole cards and assess a penalty if a player chooses not to do so.

If you don't want to show them get those cards mixed in the muck quickly imo. That might work.

Thanks for chiming in. I agree with you. These fellows I've been debating with think that ESPN can just willy nilly get your card info when they please.

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07-12-2014 , 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by molinn9

so when around 150 left isnt it time to start our dream final 9 lets give it a try.

1. Maria Ho
2. Scott Palmer
3. Brian Hastings
4. Martin Jacobson(have to have one northern european idiot)
5. Dan Smith
6. Isaac Baron
7. Kyle Bowker
8. Mark Newhouse
9. Bryan Devenshire

not that terrible final table is it

Without knowing who is in this looks like a good list to me

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07-12-2014 , 09:59 PM

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Chad Eveslage would be a more entertaining final tableist that anyone else in that list

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07-12-2014 , 10:01 PM

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I'd sub out Devo for Aoki to make two women. Would probably sub out bowker for another non-american just to make it a bit more interesting.

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07-12-2014 , 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by R*R

It's a simple assumption that when hole card cams are not in use they can only look at hole cards at the completion of a hand and not during a hand. So the during a hand argument seems irrelevant; however, even at tables without hole card cams, the agreement does contemplate that they can look at your hole cards and assess a penalty if a player chooses not to do so.

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Originally Posted by fatkid

Thanks for chiming in. I agree with you. These fellows I've been debating with think that ESPN can just willy nilly get your card info when they please.

So I am guessing everyone involved in this discussion agrees with my post and now we can put an end to it.

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07-12-2014 , 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteBlow

Before a hand, during a hand, 3 weeks after a hand. My point was they don't get to see your cards whenever they want just cuz they asked. You are agreeing with me now, good.

Sorry, hole.

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07-12-2014 , 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChamp11

Chad Eveslage would be a more entertaining final tableist that anyone else in that list

An explanation would be good as I'm sure many have no idea who is he.

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07-12-2014 , 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by molinn9

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I'd sub out Devo for Aoki to make two women. Would probably sub out bowker for another non-american just to make it a bit more interesting.

This would be a good table. Maybe replace two of them (but not Newhouse or Devo)
with a European and a South American and give it more international flair. I would get rid of Hastings.

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07-12-2014 , 10:04 PM

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Before a hand, during a hand, 3 weeks after a hand. My point was they don't get to see your cards whenever they want just cuz they asked. You are agreeing with me now, good.

Now that you've changed your mind about separate waivers etc, you've just changed your thoughts to match ours.
Well done.

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07-12-2014 , 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

This. There are 291 players left and precisely 0 of them move the needle.

Well yeah but there was an amazon orange table which contained like 5 well knownish pros. Ridiculous that wasn't the feature table.

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07-12-2014 , 10:10 PM

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Lol at people acting like someone famous going deep would help the game. They're only famous because they were an unknown when they luckboxed an MTT awhile ago. I think in general people overestimate how much certain people doing well will "help poker". I think Paul pierce was the only one semideep who legitimately would have helped poker by final tabling/winning.

This. If they ain't Pierce, Gerald Pique or Hellmuth/Ivey/Negs they aren't affecting the broadcast all that much.

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07-12-2014 , 10:13 PM

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Newhouse making the FT would be a great story that might interest the outsider. I doubt anything else would.

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07-12-2014 , 10:17 PM

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I'd sub out Devo for Aoki to make two women. Would probably sub out bowker for another non-american just to make it a bit more interesting.

Devo makes the dream final table over a lot people because he'd bring personality to it.

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07-12-2014 , 10:18 PM

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17th in chips Mikiyo Aoki 2.5m is that a women? if so there is a tad chance we will have woman at the final table,, as i see it it would be the best for this year wsop as all real known superstars as Pique Pierce Neg Ivey Hellmuth are out.

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07-12-2014 , 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by molinn9

17th in chips Mikiyo Aoki 2.5m is that a womans? if so there is a tad chance we will have woman at the final table,, as i see it it would be the best for this year wsop as all real known superstars as Pique Pierce Neg Ivey Hellmuth are out.

FYP and yes, yes it is.

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07-12-2014 , 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fatkid

Thanks for chiming in. I agree with you.

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Originally Posted by fatkid

Your wrong bro. That text is for when cams/RFID is present. You do not have to expose cards for anybody during a hand when there are no cams in the table. You are flat out wrong.

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These fellows I've been debating with think that ESPN can just willy nilly get your card info when they please.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

It always amazes me when someone can say something so wrong repeatedly and in the end think they're right when they finally come around and say the opposite.

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07-12-2014 , 10:24 PM

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From the start I was adamant about the RIO not being cool with showing cards whenever ESPN wanted. You guys said I was wrong about that. You quoted rules and argued that ESPN could see cards whenever they wanted. You were wrong.

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07-12-2014 , 10:25 PM

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It should be all women. Then the story will be "the year of the woman."

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07-12-2014 , 10:26 PM

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The kid just thought he was being a cleverdick referring to 'during' a hand. Hence why he made pains to say 'on any street'.
He's done now though. Bless him. Probably bed time.

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07-12-2014 , 10:26 PM

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It always amazes me when someone can say something so wrong repeatedly and in the end think they're right when they finally come around and say the opposite.

Smells like marriage.

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07-12-2014 , 10:31 PM

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The kid just thought he was being a cleverdick referring to 'during' a hand. Hence why he made pains to say 'on any street'.
He's done now though. Bless him. Probably bed time.

Lol. You mad. It's cool, can't be right all the time.