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Hard to tell from the side since she reached over opposite side of the table, but I didn't see any and she didn't introduce herself as far as I could hear. There were a ton of ESPN cameras and random people around and zero floor people taking control of the situation.

The turn play itself was 6 minutes so sometime during that time if she said "I'm so and so from ESPN and since this is a pivotal pot we would like to show each of your cards to the camera here afterwards in accordance with x waiver you signed" it would have solved everything.

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07-12-2014 , 06:53 PM

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She could of been the president of the USA, HE WAS NOT OBLIGATED TO SHOW HIS CARDS!

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07-12-2014 , 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fatkid

She could of been the president of the USA, HE WAS NOT OBLIGATED TO SHOW HIS CARDS!

Why are you still going on about this?
All players should show their cards to a camera when requested. Feature table or not, it doesn't matter.
Watch the video I posted.

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07-12-2014 , 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by irockhoess

Yeah, I 100% agree with you. Still scratching my head why she didn't handle it more professionally. I'm thinking I would have gotten a bare-minimum 1 rd penalty for telling her to EAD. Can you imagine being a patient in a hospital and someone approaches you with no id badge or no identifying clothing(i.e. Name badge, scrubs, md coat) and says, "pull your pants down, I need to see your genitals" or "I am going to place a ventriculostomy inside of your head." Lol @ this ESPN noob couldn't put herself in someone else's shoes and think critically about the big picture instead of basic task-completion.

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07-12-2014 , 07:01 PM

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Why are you still going on about this?
All players should show their cards to a camera when requested. Feature table or not, it doesn't matter.
Watch the video I posted.

Nope. That was a feature table with hole cams. Different waiver. The general waiver for ESPN does not give them access to your cards whenever the hell they feel like it. You are wrong.

When there are cams/RFID they have full access. In the genera field with no cams/RFID they can only request, they cannot force you to look at cards. Unless the hand goes to showdown you have every right to muck.

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07-12-2014 , 07:03 PM

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It's the same waiver, signed by everyone who enters a WSOP event.

Of course you still have the right to muck your cards. Nobody is arguing that. You can still muck after showing them to the camera when requested.

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07-12-2014 , 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteBlow

It's the same waiver, signed by everyone who enters a WSOP event.

They can't force you to look at your cards on any street they want. It's funny you guys think how it works.

This is from a FAQ from wsop on the main and espn:

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But I heard ESPN is planning to show hole cards, isn’t that true?

Only in very limited instances. First, they are only showing hole cards on two”TV” tables. All other tables will be unaffected. Second, no hole cards will be shown pre-flop at all. Third, once the hand has reached the flop, only players left in the hand have the chance of their hole cards being shown to the TV audience. Lastly, all of this is on a 30-minute delay, meaning no cards are exposed -- ever -- during a hand in play and never are hole cards exposed at the physical table unless willingly done so by the players themselves

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07-12-2014 , 07:11 PM

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im just Calling it now mark newhouse making November 9 again..

i wanted/want to bet on him making final 9 just for fun..

if anyone is interested..
my 100 to your ....

300

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07-12-2014 , 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fatkid

She could of been the president of the USA, HE WAS NOT OBLIGATED TO SHOW HIS CARDS!

He is obligated to show his cards. She, nor anyone working for ESPN is allowed to grab the cards according to how the terms read.

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Participant acknowledges that the WSOP will be recorded and published in and through various mediums and media and that such publication shall include, but shall not be limited to, publication of a participants’ “hole cards” and other elements of strategic information. When and immediately upon request of Rio personnel, WSOP participants shall be required to display hole cards. Any participant who delays or refuses to display said hole cards or otherwise interferes with said request shall be subject to penalties in accordance with Rules 39, 107 and 108.

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07-12-2014 , 07:36 PM

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Leif Force the jungle kid?

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07-12-2014 , 07:37 PM

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Leif Force the jungle kid?

leif erickson the viking though

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07-12-2014 , 07:42 PM

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Leif Force the jungle kid?

Yep, 11th in 2006.

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07-12-2014 , 07:45 PM

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Zach Jiganti just went from 2.6 mil to out in 2 hands..Ouch

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07-12-2014 , 07:46 PM

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He is obligated to show his cards. She, nor anyone working for ESPN is allowed to grab the cards according to how the terms read.

Your wrong bro. That text is for when cams/RFID is present. You do not have to expose cards for anybody during a hand when there are no cams in the table. You are flat out wrong.

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07-12-2014 , 07:48 PM

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I'm defo rooting for william tonking only cos i see his name as
Will-i-am toking a lot a pot hehe

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07-12-2014 , 07:58 PM

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Zach Jiganti just went from 2.6 mil to out in 2 hands..Ouch

He got it all in on the flop with a set of 9's vs set of K's on an AK9 board to cripple him. Bummer.

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07-12-2014 , 07:58 PM

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I'm rooting for my Horse Roman Valerstien, gogogogo!!!!!!!!!

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07-12-2014 , 08:00 PM

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He got it all in on the flop with a set of 9's vs set of K's on an AK9 board to cripple him. Bummer.

Brutal^

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07-12-2014 , 08:16 PM

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Your wrong bro. That text is for when cams/RFID is present. You do not have to expose cards for anybody during a hand when there are no cams in the table. You are flat out wrong.

that is from the 2014 WSOP Rules. Check em for yourself. Nowhere in that document do the words RFID, cam or cameras appear.

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07-12-2014 , 08:27 PM

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the Main Event is getting boring again, bunch of uknowns leading :/

hoping for some woman to go deep, or maybe Townsend or Hastings

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07-12-2014 , 08:33 PM

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that is from the 2014 WSOP Rules. Check em for yourself. Nowhere in that document do the words RFID, cam or cameras appear.

This offer is open to anybody:

If you can prove to me that it is cool with WSOP/RIO for ESPN/anybody to force you to expose/show your cards at the table whenever the hell they please, on any street they please, without RFID/cams I will ship you $100 on paypal. You are free rolling dudes. Good luck.