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wsop 2008 final table in NOVEMBER!!!! wsop 2008 final table in NOVEMBER!!!!

05-13-2008 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by olivert
How effective will the hype during ESPN's November 10 Monday Night Football broadcast is anyone's guess at this point.

I guess they need a lead in for San Fran and Ar?
05-13-2008 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CnC
I guess they need a lead in for San Fran and Ar?
Even though ESPN Monday Night Football on Monday November 10 will feature what one would expect to be an average team (Arizona) and a "garbage" team (San Francisco), it is still Monday Night Football and it will still be the #1 cable/satellite TV program in the U.S. each week, with well over 10 million viewers (and over 2.5 million viewers in the extremely-important-to-ESPN 18-34 age demographic).

The hype of the 2008 WSOP Main Event final table during ESPN Monday Night Football will be the best possible "push" ESPN can give to the November 11 WSOP Main Event Final Table telecast on ESPN.

There will be no excuses for either Caesars/WSOP or ESPN regardless of what the viewership for those 2 hours on November 11.
05-13-2008 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by olivert
In order to draw AT LEAST 450,000-500,000 viewers in the 18-34 demographic, the "level 3" audience has to be convinced that the final hour of the 2008 WSOP Main Event is worth watching on the evening of November 11 despite the 18 hour tape delay.

How effective will the hype during ESPN's November 10 Monday Night Football broadcast is anyone's guess at this point.
In politics the candidates have learned that currently it's about the eight second sound bite. ESPN keeps showing all ins with the other player taking 3 to 5 minutes to decide whether or not to call. That's longer than eight seconds. The 18-34 demographic doesn't have that long an attention span. Why would ESPN boardcast style of poker ever attract large numbers of young people? This is the internet age. STOP showing poker in slow motion.
05-13-2008 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by olivert
Even though ESPN Monday Night Football on Monday November 10 will feature what one would expect to be an average team (Arizona) and a "garbage" team (San Francisco), it is still Monday Night Football and it will still be the #1 cable/satellite TV program in the U.S. each week, with well over 10 million viewers (and over 2.5 million viewers in the extremely-important-to-ESPN 18-34 age demographic).

The hype of the 2008 WSOP Main Event final table during ESPN Monday Night Football will be the best possible "push" ESPN can give to the November 11 WSOP Main Event Final Table telecast on ESPN.

There will be no excuses for either Caesars/WSOP or ESPN regardless of what the viewership for those 2 hours on November 11.
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Originally Posted by olivert
First of all, the hype during the 4 months won't be constant.

Most of the build-up will take place on ESPN.com between July and November.

If the past is any indication, one would expect that the ESPN on-air (TV) hype won't start until 10 days prior to the November 11 broadcast.

One would expect that the November 11 broadcast will be hyped during the November 10 ESPN Monday Night Football telecast, which will be consumed by over 10 million viewers.

(The WSOP Main Event heads-up battle will NOT start until November 10 at 10pm Pacific Time, AFTER Monday Night Football is over and past the deadline of sports sections of newspapers in the U.S. Eastern and Central Time Zones..)

Remember the following MINIMUM viewership targets, based on the viewership from the last hour of the 2006 WSOP Main Event Final Table delayed telecast on ESPN in September 2006, which I believe the final hour of the 2008 WSOP Main Event Final Table has to hit in order for the WSOP organization to convince ESPN, Inc. to keep paying Caesars Entertainment (Apollo/TPG) the alleged "$10 million per year in considerations" for the 2009 (and 2010) WSOP:

1.8-2.0 million total viewers ages 2 and over
900,000 to 1 million viewers in the ages 18-49 demographic

and most importantly

450,000 to 500,000 viewers in the ages 18-34 demographic

Otherwise, I expect ESPN, Inc. to stop paying Caesars the rights fee for the 2009 WSOP, and I do NOT expect either FOX Sports or NBC Sports to offer Caesars a rights fee for the 2009 WSOP.

(For your reference: WPT on GSN currently draws about 100,000 viewers in the 18-34 demographic per episode when you total up all 3 broadcasts during the week. )
OMG I figured out how to use the multi quote feature....woo hoo!

If I recall MNF viewership declined last year, mostly to do with the horrible matchups that ESPN was saddled with thanks to the NFL schedule idiots.

I'd agree that on 11/10, there'll be a heavy push during commercial breaks but I doubt we'll see/hear any in-game promos knowing how the NFL has an issue with gambling even though we're discussing a legit/legal poker tourney. We know who wins that discussion!

But I come back to some of your previous statements in regards to the actual length of promotional push for the FT.

If this FT move is about ESPN wanting to increase drama, viewers, etc. to the ME (according to you)...then I strongly believe we'll see a much more lengthy promotion of the FT show instead of just 10 days. We're talking Nov. sweeps! If ESPN is gambling on this move to make or break their continued "support" of the WSOP and want to succeed...it's all about 30 days or more of promotion for this. Why would they risk it all on only 10 days?

It's about branding the "new style" of the ME FT...branding the never before seen drama of a ME like this. What could really help is the fact that a pro or 2 makes the FT, which will in turn lend credibility to the final 2, having them beat the big name(s) on their way to glory.

Could lightning strike and we see a Hellmuth, or DN, or Doyle, or Ivey, etc. make the FT to help boost the story? Time will tell!

Last edited by JBS1273; 05-13-2008 at 11:44 PM. Reason: typo
05-14-2008 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by STOPRAKEGREED
the same poker elite who cash out shares worth tens of millions from web sites that don't run fair games.
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Originally Posted by STOPRAKEGREED
Absolute?
Tell me who you are referring to then?
05-14-2008 , 09:46 PM
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450,000 to 500,000 viewers in the ages 18-34 demographic
Aren't there more than that in the 18-34 demographic with online poker accounts? They can't even get poker players to watch. Is poker even watchable?


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Originally Posted by olivert
Even though ESPN Monday Night Football on Monday November 10 will feature what one would expect to be an average team (Arizona) and a "garbage" team (San Francisco), it is still Monday Night Football and it will still be the #1 cable/satellite TV program in the U.S. each week, with well over 10 million viewers (and over 2.5 million viewers in the extremely-important-to-ESPN 18-34 age demographic).

The hype of the 2008 WSOP Main Event final table during ESPN Monday Night Football will be the best possible "push" ESPN can give to the November 11 WSOP Main Event Final Table telecast on ESPN.

There will be no excuses for either Caesars/WSOP or ESPN regardless of what the viewership for those 2 hours on November 11.
ESPN should have the FT members at the game in the crowd watching the game. Be sure to show the FT at the game and mention them.
05-14-2008 , 09:59 PM
That'd be hard since 2 of them will be waiting to play headsup as the other 7 would've already been eliminated.
05-14-2008 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bando
1)It's now a 2 day final table, 3-9 is day one, headsup day 2.
2)Then you won't watch the ESPN episode the next day.
lol heads up lasted like 3 hands over the last several MEs.
05-14-2008 , 10:18 PM
wat if somebody dies in the 4 months
05-15-2008 , 01:11 PM
liz lieu did a nice little blog on this situation and makes a couple interesting points.

Nothing especially new but cool to see her perspective on potential collusion, coaching, and how perhaps 'testing' out this idea on the largest stage isnt the wisest move.
05-15-2008 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by splittingaces
liz lieu did a nice little blog on this situation and makes a couple interesting points.

Nothing especially new but cool to see her perspective on potential collusion, coaching, and how perhaps 'testing' out this idea on the largest stage isnt the wisest move.

I agree, she did a good job ... quotes from her blog:

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I really have two main problems with the change: something happening to players in the interim period and the change in dynamics of the entire final table when it reconvenes.
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Different for the sake of being different isn't a good enough reason for me when we're talking about the biggest event in my profession. I really haven't heard any compelling reason why we needed to make such a drastic change to the Main Event.
05-15-2008 , 05:50 PM
The thing that I find the most laughable about all of this is that the people in charge, and many other typically rational people, actually believe that the players at the final table will all become worldwide superstars with all the publicity they will receive.

Those who believe that the final 9 will go on Oprah, Letterman, Leno, Larry King, etc. are all fooling themselves. Nobody cares about this outside of the poker world.
05-15-2008 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wetleg
The thing that I find the most laughable about all of this is that the people in charge, and many other typically rational people, actually believe that the players at the final table will all become worldwide superstars with all the publicity they will receive.

Those who believe that the final 9 will go on Oprah, Letterman, Leno, Larry King, etc. are all fooling themselves. Nobody cares about this outside of the poker world.
Doesn't the winner usually go on Leno?
05-15-2008 , 07:16 PM
I believe the last main event winner to be a guest on a late night talk show was Chris Moneymaker. Greg Raymer, possibly, but I don't think so.
05-15-2008 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wetleg
I believe the last main event winner to be a guest on a late night talk show was Chris Moneymaker. Greg Raymer, possibly, but I don't think so.
I think if i remember correctly that Joe Hachem went on Leno as did Raymer and moneymaker when they won
05-15-2008 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by danxxx1
I think if i remember correctly that Joe Hachem went on Leno as did Raymer and moneymaker when they won
Correct.

Jamie Gold was NOT invited to Leno, nor was Xao "Jerry" Yang.

Gold was invited by FSN's Best Damn Sports Show Period, but he declined to appear.
05-15-2008 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by olivert
Correct.

Jamie Gold was NOT invited to Leno, nor was Xao "Jerry" Yang.

Gold was invited by FSN's Best Damn Sports Show Period, but he declined to appear.
Anni Duke went on the Letterman show after her win in the Tournament of Champions ... have not seen a poker player on his show since
05-16-2008 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by splittingaces
liz lieu did a nice little blog on this situation and makes a couple interesting points.

Nothing especially new but cool to see her perspective on potential collusion, coaching, and how perhaps 'testing' out this idea on the largest stage isnt the wisest move.
On the other hand, Barry Greenstein feels that any coaching might be a hindrance to those who take up the offer. I didn't hear this myself, so I'll quote second hand what was posted from another forum........

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Barry Greenstein talked about this issue in a 2+2 podcast on May 6th. He doesnt seem to think the final 9 getting coaching will actually give them much of an/any edge. He talked about how he tried helping Mimi Tran out when she got to 3rd in a Foxwoods tournament (may have been WPT but not sure) then he tried to get her to change her play. She misunderstood his instructions and ended up busting when if she played as she had all day she may have won.
05-27-2008 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CnC
Anni Duke went on the Letterman show after her win in the Tournament of Champions ... have not seen a poker player on his show since
I think when and if a woman wins the WSOP ME, that person will be on most if not all the talk shows possible that are out there.

That said, I still feel that the powers that be have ruined the WSOP ME by doing this.

Even worse, say if a woman does indeed win it this year, and it makes more women come into poker. Then IMO, the powers that be will use that as an excuse to continue doing this travasty next year and there after as well, when in fact it wasn't the format change that brought more ppl into poker, but rather the fact a woman won it.

As such, I'm hoping that this whole stunt, falls flat on it's face, so next year and there after it can go back to the way it was.

      
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