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Old 12-07-2018, 02:48 AM   #1
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WPT at The Venetian

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https://www.worldpokertour.com/news/...ort-las-vegas/

Is this something poker players should be happy about?

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Old 12-07-2018, 02:53 AM   #2
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Sure why not, food option good @ table is all I care about lol. Free parking for all.

W.e Sheldon anti online poker this doesn't change anything.

Good dealers and floors for the most part, 4 lines to reg. I'll take it.
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:10 AM   #3
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https://www.worldpokertour.com/news/...ort-las-vegas/

Is this something poker players should be happy about?

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Venetian is such a nice room. Why would anyone not be happy about this development
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:49 AM   #4
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Re: WPT at The Venetian

It should be better than the WPTDeepstacks branded event held recently in Houston where the cardroom involved (FreeRolls) reportedly had to hustle to come up with prize pool money, was burdened by a slew of game integrity issues, and was a month late on paying out tournament staff.

Venetian should maybe invest in tools & training for their security personnel so poker players don't have to run around applying sleeper holds to patrons who start hitting people, but otherwise there's no indication that a WPT-branded event at the Venetian would be lower in quality than at any other venue.

And yeah, Sheldon Adelson's creation of CSIG, his general comments about iGaming over the years, along with Sands' exit from the regulated Pennsylvania iGaming market are unfortunate. But it's not like current online poker operators have really gone out of their way to value poker players of any skill level -- other than as a means to use the online poker "vertical" as an acquisition channel to lure peer-to-peer gamers into more lucrative products like online slots.

The tournament shouldn't be any worse than one run by a company like Caesars -- coming out of bankruptcy -- running major brands like the WSOP into the dirt by penalizing players for bringing up marked cards, failing to provide adequate sanitary facilities (WSOP 2017) and failing to upkeep their facilities to the point where people at the RIO contracted Legionnaire's Disease right when the 2017 Series was beginning.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...icle-1.3236990

And that's not including Caesars now working on making 15%-20% of its customer base (which it claims are living off comps systems) profitable.

https://twitter.com/toddprincetv/sta...14183634497536

Or the fine folks at MGM, who initiated legal action against victims of the October 2017 Las Vegas tragedy. It's not like shooting victims owe anyone in the casino industry a "job" just so it can avoid liability... but there you have it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/u...s-victims.html

So if live poker players find value in an event held at the Venetian, good deal imo. I understand it's a Sheldon Adelson property and involves "poker," but again -- it's not like any of these other poker rooms or operators that we liberally promote are going out of their way to provide adequate service to poker players in exchange for the fees they pay.

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Old 12-07-2018, 01:07 PM   #5
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https://www.worldpokertour.com/news/...ort-las-vegas/

Is this something poker players should be happy about?

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A live poker tournament held in one of the best live poker venues in Las Vegas, why wouldn't that be a good thing?
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:12 PM   #6
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Re: WPT at The Venetian

The fact that the owner was a driving force in the death of widespread online poker in the US is reason enough for me to never step foot into any of his properties unless an outside client is paying me to be there. In that case I'm not spending a penny while there.
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:14 PM   #7
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A live poker tournament held in one of the best live poker venues in Las Vegas, why wouldn't that be a good thing?
Exactly. I know some people hate Venetian because of the owners stance on online poker. But like you said it’s one of the best tournament venues in the country
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:40 PM   #8
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The fact that the owner was a driving force in the death of widespread online poker in the US is reason enough for me to never step foot into any of his properties unless an outside client is paying me to be there. In that case I'm not spending a penny while there.
Sounds like you are hurting yourself more then the V lol. I'm sure Sheldon is in tears over a 2+2 mod having such a high stance.

Or you didn't plan on playing any poker events anyways, in which case sick brag bro.
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:50 PM   #9
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Sounds like you are hurting yourself more then the V lol. I'm sure Sheldon is in tears over a 2+2 mod having such a high stance.

Or you didn't plan on playing any poker events anyways, in which case sick brag bro.
o wow you are so cool because you can troll a 2+2 moderator.

pretty sure that 2+2 moderator would have spent his hard earned money at that venetian resort, and sheldon is missing out because of his shenanigans. it is what it is. stop trying to spin it into something personal because you may have been banned on previous accounts. thanks for reading and have a blessed day.
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Old 12-07-2018, 02:00 PM   #10
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Not only have I boycotted the Adelson properties, I and 2+2 have refused their business.

If all poker players cared more for the good of the game and less of a narcissistic approach, online poker in the US would be much further along, and those that opposed it would feal the repercussions in their pocket.
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Old 12-07-2018, 02:15 PM   #11
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Not only have I boycotted the Adelson properties, I and 2+2 have refused their business.

If all poker players cared more for the good of the game and less of a narcissistic approach, online poker in the US would be much further along, and those that opposed it would feal the repercussions in their pocket.
+1

I wish poker players, as well as voters, consumers and public in general would stick to their principles more often and not support anyone that goes against them just because they offer comfortable chairs and good food.
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Old 12-07-2018, 03:36 PM   #12
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I wish poker players, as well as voters, consumers and public in general would stick to their principles more often and not support anyone that goes against them just because they offer comfortable chairs and good food.
If it brings more players to the game, then that means more players in the cash arena. It does NOT mean that you need to enter the events at that particular venue (which is the category I would have been in given their adoption of the BBA, although that takes ALL WPT venues off the table, not just the Venetian).

Generally speaking, players that travel somewhere for a tournament series are ALSO going to be playing cash. Vegas offers MANY options for cash. More players in town COULD mean better cash games. Not sure why THAT is a bad thing...
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Old 12-07-2018, 03:51 PM   #13
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If it brings more players to the game, then that means more players in the cash arena. It does NOT mean that you need to enter the events at that particular venue (which is the category I would have been in given their adoption of the BBA, although that takes ALL WPT venues off the table, not just the Venetian).

Generally speaking, players that travel somewhere for a tournament series are ALSO going to be playing cash. Vegas offers MANY options for cash. More players in town COULD mean better cash games. Not sure why THAT is a bad thing...
If you think that the efforts by the Sands Corporation to block and end Internet poker has brought more players into the game I think that you're sadly mistaken.

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Old 12-07-2018, 04:32 PM   #14
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Re: WPT at The Venetian

Supporting or not supporting Venetion due to Sheldons negative impact on online is imo a personal decision.

Not saying anyone is doing this ITT, but doesn't seem to right to judge anyone based on their decision to play there or not. If one feel its right to keep out of there based on principle then all would respect that. If another one doesn't, that's their decision and should be respected as well.
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Old 12-07-2018, 05:55 PM   #15
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If you think that the efforts by the Sands Corporation to block and end Internet poker has brought more players into the game I think that you're sadly mistaken.
1) the link discusses a tournament series at the Venetian
2) there is much more to poker than online play
3) more players in the Vegas pokersphere in the window of the series is a likely win for cash game players (witness the increase during some other series).
4) people travel to play poker
5) see item #3

The WPT series is not something I will enter, but as I stated, that is for reasons not related to the V. I would absolutely look to take advantage of the influx at the tables at other properties.
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:06 PM   #16
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Will be at the same time as March Madness Rds 1 and 2. I like it.
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:39 PM   #17
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I am very sure this thread would have had a very different set of reactions if it was created 5+ years ago.

If anything, the thread proves those people right who predicted back then that almost nobody would care anymore in a couple of years.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:53 PM   #18
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I am very sure this thread would have had a very different set of reactions if it was created 5+ years ago.

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Old 12-07-2018, 09:54 PM   #19
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1) the link discusses a tournament series at the Venetian
2) there is much more to poker than online play
3) more players in the Vegas pokersphere in the window of the series is a likely win for cash game players (witness the increase during some other series).
4) people travel to play poker
5) see item #3

The WPT series is not something I will enter, but as I stated, that is for reasons not related to the V. I would absolutely look to take advantage of the influx at the tables at other properties.
This. Especially #2. The more tournaments available that could spark interest in new players and/or players who no longer play, the better. Online poker may return one day and this could increase the potential player pool.

Anything to attract or retain players is a plus in this day and age.
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:05 PM   #20
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The fact that the owner was a driving force in the death of widespread online poker in the US is reason enough for me to never step foot into any of his properties unless an outside client is paying me to be there. In that case I'm not spending a penny while there.
As a sheepish boy I felt robbed in a hand with Pocket Aces by the old policy allowing players to hide paper currency under their chips. Likely not unique to The V, and my fault for being too nervous to ask. I was tipped by the front desk to be careful on my way out which seemed ironic. I loved the strip at night. I didn't like the golden-velvet at The Venetian.
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as expected most poker players dont understand what a disaster a human Adelson is.

screw what he did to regulated online poker he is just a disaster to all humans
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as expected most poker players dont understand what a disaster a human Adelson is.

screw what he did to regulated online poker he is just a disaster to all humans
While I certainly don’t disagree with that sentiment, it’s not like there are many “good guys” in the casino industry (or gambling in general). As a tourist on the Strip, you basically have to decide between handing your money to POS Sheldon Adelson, sexual predator Steve Wynn or two companies that regularly make the news for all the wrong reasons, from bankruptcy to treating employees like crap to suing mass shooting victims.

If you want to apply ethical aspects, Vegas probably has to be removed from your list of travel destinations.

Is Adelson screwing online poker players worse than Wynn sexually abusing women? Certainly not. But the former had a much bigger impact on (mostly past) posters on this forum.
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The fact that the owner was a driving force in the death of widespread online poker in the US.....
I'm confused Videopro, so Adelson was controlling the strings of the puppets Obama, Holder, and Bharara when that trio decided to indict the owners of the major online poker sites?
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I'm confused Videopro, so Adelson was controlling the strings of the puppets Obama, Holder, and Bharara when that trio decided to indict the owners of the major online poker sites?
Go educate yourself on how lobbying influences legislation.

This might elevate your confusion.
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I'm confused Videopro, so Adelson was controlling the strings of the puppets Obama, Holder, and Bharara when that trio decided to indict the owners of the major online poker sites?
Careful, you’ll confuse the 2+2 general political ideation that boils down to an understanding of little more than Republicans = bad, Democrats = good.
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