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07-20-2012 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
1M Twitter followers is worth a ton. With my like 2.5k, I can easily get a few thousand people to click a link after retweets. Obviously that doesn't scale linearly, but I'd imagine that if Sebok tweets "Hey, click this link!" he probably gets tens of thousands of people to click regardless of content and hundreds of thousands to click if there's actually decent content. That's very valuable.
This is true too.

Although, my best exposure is often when I get Kevmath to retweet something I've said. He's like the pimp daddy of all poker tweeters.
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07-20-2012 , 12:59 AM
as someone who lost a large sum of money to ap/ub, this irks me more than most probably. is there anything we can do to get the word out there that sebok is scum and therefore attach scum to the wpt? spam the **** out of his twitter? maybe some type of hashtag?
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07-20-2012 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
Nice that's a pretty cool feature. I've often wondered how many of the accounts that follow me are actually legit and how many are just dupes or bots or idle or whatever. Is that how it calculates "true reach?"

Kevmath with all the power imo.
I guess so...from the Klout site: "Your True Reach is the number of people you influence. We filter out spam and bots and focus on the people who are acting on your content. When you post a message, these people tend to respond or share it."

So, yeah, 530 people, out of a million, when most people seem to have a true reach that corresponds roughly with their follower count.

If his 1M follower count was really the basis for hiring him (and I guess it is deceptively alluring), then someone got duped.
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07-20-2012 , 01:15 AM
Lots of hypocrites in this thread. Hellmuth was much more of a shill for UB than Sebok ever was.
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07-20-2012 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TheQuiet
I **** hate joe sebok, the wpt is obviously not run by people who are poker players. When is someone going to step up and make a tour ran by the players.
Lets hope NEVER!

What happened the last time poker players ran an organisation? hmmm... lets think about it for a second ... yeah ... exactly!
  • Full Tilt
  • AP/UB
  • Epic Poker League

Need I go on? I am sure you get the picture. The fact the WPT is NOT run by poker players, is probably a good thing!
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07-20-2012 , 01:18 AM
Barry Sebok is happy for him
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07-20-2012 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by aejones
wpt should hire a pr person first
@WSOPRGUY should be available soon

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Seth Palansky ‏@WSOPRGUY
@Haley_Hintze @joesebok is a smart and real good guy. #hewasnttheproblem
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07-20-2012 , 01:41 AM
Isn't ClubWPT software the same as the old UB software? He is obv still just trying to get to the bottom of the old UB fiasco
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07-20-2012 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by shaniac
I guess so...from the Klout site: "Your True Reach is the number of people you influence. We filter out spam and bots and focus on the people who are acting on your content. When you post a message, these people tend to respond or share it."

So, yeah, 530 people, out of a million, when most people seem to have a true reach that corresponds roughly with their follower count.

If his 1M follower count was really the basis for hiring him (and I guess it is deceptively alluring), then someone got duped.
I don't think it matters too much whether it was his twitter following that got him hired or not (I would guess it's more likely because he's buddies with someone at the WPT, but that's nothing more than a guess).

What concerns me more is that people with some influence in the poker world (in this instance, the decision makers at the WPT) would make a decision which was clearly going to bring more negativity to the poker community (this thread for example). And if the WPT didn't realise it would bring a negative response then they didn't do their due diligence (which is also pretty bad for other obvious reasons).

The decision to hire someone with so much baggage is at the very least naive and shows that the WPT's decision makers are incompetent, or worse, they knew it would bring some ill-feeling and did it anyway (effectively giving the poker community the finger).
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07-20-2012 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MadProf
Lots of hypocrites in this thread. Hellmuth was much more of a shill for UB than Sebok ever was.
WTF is going on inside your brain? Hypocrites? Wat??
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07-20-2012 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
I wrote a blog post about one example that should be easily googleable. I avoid linking to my own blog on 2p2 because it sets a bad example.

It's not the most interesting story, so probably don't bother to read this, but here's the cliffs. I can't check them because Joe has now apparently blocked me on Twitter, so I'm sure a bit of this is slightly wrong:

I exposed yet another way that AP/UB was screwing over customers, (They had a rigged Keno game because they were too incompetent to set up a decent RNG: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...vg-zoo-898568/, which is pretty scary for a gambling company.)

Joe and the company both promised repayment. 2 months later, nobody had been repaid. I started mentioning this regularly on Twitter.

Joe at first said that what I was saying wasn't true and people had actually been repaid. Then he insisted that we take the conversation private (which seemed to be him MO every time someone publicly criticized UB. "That's not true." "Yes it is." "Oh, let's talk about it privately."). Then he acted like he was confused why I wanted people to be repaid for having played in a rigged game that he and his bosses promised people would be repaid for. Then he kept lying to me that somebody was going to talk to me, which never happened.

Then he told me that we were going to be paid in a week. I asked if I could talk about our conversation on Twitter, and he gave permission. He got mad at how I worded it (The company ran a rigged Keno game, didn't pay players, and lie about it. It's hard to sugar coat that...). I pussied out and removed the tweet like a few minutes after I'd posted it and apologized (I did nothing wrong and should not have done this, but whatever). In spite of that, he portrayed himself as the victim, flipped out at me, and stopped talking to me.

I was of course never contacted by anyone at AP in spite of his repeated promises that I would be. I only got repaid months later when I wrote a blog post about it that got a lot of attention.




This is obviously a drop in the ocean relative to what he did re: the superuser scandal. He's really good at wasting time and deflecting criticism. He seems to conveniently forget every goddam time that what he's said turns out to be false.
Heh, this is the MO of pretty much every scumbag who knows they're trying to deceit someone. He doesn't sound very good at it, pretty transparent. Did everyone get repaid or just yourself?
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07-20-2012 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ihateannieduke
He has 1m followers bc he got in on twitter very early and knows the owners. New users are recommended to follow that assclown
Lol, sick. Know owners of twitter, make mirrions.

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I'll never understand WPT's business move here. Absolutely ridiculous and I'm so damn sick of Sebok making money with no skills whatsoever and being totally void of morals (which is amazing given that barryg raised him).
True that. Barry is a gent. I used to think the same of Annie Duke btw, with Howard as her brother. Makes a whole lot of sense now ofc.
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07-20-2012 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
Although, my best exposure is often when I get Kevmath to retweet something I've said. He's like the pimp daddy of all poker tweeters.
+1

BTW, Klout is really poorly done. It's obviously better than nothing, but you guys shouldn't be quoting it as though somebody's Klout score is some great objective measure of how much influence they have on Twitter. As best I can tell, it uses an arbitrary collection of reasonable but noisy metrics and arbitrarily combines them in a few ways to give people various scores.
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07-20-2012 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by kikadell
Heh, this is the MO of pretty much every scumbag who knows they're trying to deceit someone. He doesn't sound very good at it, pretty transparent. Did everyone get repaid or just yourself?
Yeah. In hindsight, it was extremely transparent

Everybody was paid as far as I know. It was probably a relatively trivial amount because I don't really think many people play not-very-well-advertised online Keno? This was less than a month before BF, though, so FWIW I doubt many people ever cashed it out. I didn't cash out my $50 or whatever it was.

Joe kept thinking that I just wanted to be paid myself, and I kept having to clarify that I wanted everybody paid...
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07-20-2012 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NoahSD
+1

BTW, Klout is really poorly done. It's obviously better than nothing, but you guys shouldn't be quoting it as though somebody's Klout score is some great objective measure of how much influence they have on Twitter. As best I can tell, it uses an arbitrary collection of reasonable but noisy metrics and arbitrarily combines them in a few ways to give people various scores.
Sure, I was just introducing it as the antidote to the "zomg 1M followers" argument for why he might be valuable to a company.

What smallballs said a few posts back is more relevant anyway.
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07-20-2012 , 02:17 AM
Maybe he will wear one of his outfits again on the broadcast.



I thought Lock Poker signing of Tim West was the signing blunder of 2012. This clearly blows that away.

Who's next to sign with the WPT? Annie Duke........
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07-20-2012 , 03:46 AM
I believe it was mentioned earlier in this thread...but where is all the hate for the other players who took sponsorship deals from UB (POST CHEATING SCANDAL):

Maria Ho
Roothlus
Basebaldy
Devo

The other interesting part of that earlier post was questioning IKE's continued play on UB AFTER the cheating scandal. Obviously nobody on here can question IKE's intelligence. Surely his continued play was NOT influenced by Joe Sebok. So L-O-L at Fatal Error's defense of IKE's continued play on UB as a "calculated risk" rather than motivated by greed. OF COURSE it was motivated by greed!! The exact same reason all the above named players accepted sponsorship deals from UB.
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07-20-2012 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by vazdog33
I believe it was mentioned earlier in this thread...but where is all the hate for the other players who took sponsorship deals from UB (POST CHEATING SCANDAL):

Maria Ho
Roothlus
Basebaldy
Devo

The other interesting part of that earlier post was questioning IKE's continued play on UB AFTER the cheating scandal. Obviously nobody on here can question IKE's intelligence. Surely his continued play was NOT influenced by Joe Sebok. So L-O-L at Fatal Error's defense of IKE's continued play on UB as a "calculated risk" rather than motivated by greed. OF COURSE it was motivated by greed!! The exact same reason all the above named players accepted sponsorship deals from UB.
Show me where these players promised to not rest until they uncovered HH's and then proceeded to do nothing but make intentional false promises and tell blatant lies
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07-20-2012 , 04:12 AM
wtf sebok has 1 mio twitter followers ?? wat ? how can this be possible ? why would anyone add this guy on twitter ?

im shattered

edit: while hellmuth ivey or even negreanu only hav around 100-200k

is sebok "famous" outsite of poker ?
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07-20-2012 , 04:22 AM
K well Noah and Ike both disagreeing with me is enough for me.
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07-20-2012 , 04:27 AM
That earlier post mentioned Sebok making a mistake playing the "moral crusade card". And I think that portion is also true.

He bit off way more than he could chew in order to get paid. I know I know, 75% of people in this thread wouldn't have done the same thing.

Is he a bit of a tool, no doubt.

Is he a bit too in love with himself, fo sho.

Is he the total scumbag a lot of people in this thread is making him out to be....I honestly doubt it.

Post script - not a huge Sebok by any stretch of the imagination. Just don't think the hate is equally distributed.
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07-20-2012 , 04:30 AM
lol @ the posters asking how seebok can have 1 mill followers when its been explained several times in this thread already
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07-20-2012 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MadProf
Lots of hypocrites in this thread. Hellmuth was much more of a shill for UB than Sebok ever was.
this might help you sir: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrite
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07-20-2012 , 04:50 AM
What a ****ing joke. Seriously **** you WPT

Interested to see if Bond18 has any comments
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07-20-2012 , 05:02 AM
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where is all the hate for the other players who took sponsorship deals from UB (POST CHEATING SCANDAL):

Maria Ho
Roothlus
Basebaldy
Devo
Don't forget Liv Boeree, who represented both Absolute Poker and UB, signing up with the latter post-scandal. Liv and Maria don't get much heat for some reason, can't quite think why...
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