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06-28-2014 , 09:42 PM

#51

OMGJustinBieber

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I asked Simon Watt on Twitter if Dwan tried to make a deal. He said no. It was rumoured that Dwan would have won $9-12 million in bracelet bets.

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06-28-2014 , 10:03 PM

#52

thecantonkid

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Originally Posted by OMGJustinBieber

I asked Simon Watt on Twitter if Dwan tried to make a deal. He said no. It was rumoured that Dwan would have won $9-12 million in bracelet bets.

Ask Simon Watt why he didn´´t offer Dwan a deal. He could have made 5 million.

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06-28-2014 , 10:49 PM

#53

hAmThEkIlLeR

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Could it be that Yamron isn't really a great player?

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06-29-2014 , 12:48 AM

#54

3fiveofdiamonds

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Originally Posted by hAmThEkIlLeR

Could it be that Yamron isn't really a great player?

More likely that he ran his queens and sixes into Iveys hidden set on 6th in stud and then ran his set into Iveys nut straight in Omaha.

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06-29-2014 , 01:18 AM

#55

Frenbar

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All of the hands were completely standard for the way the old guy was playing all along. If this isn't clear to you, quit poker and save yourself money.

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06-29-2014 , 03:18 AM

#56

Genetikfreak

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Originally Posted by The Detonator

ive had a set of 22s that were hidden in the hole, bruce had two pair obviously, hard to get away from

and is getting it on his bust out hand with a super strong hand, just got outdrawn on the turn

durrrr obviously didnt do this when he had significantly more money on the line in the NLHE event that he lost, why would Ivey risk his rep and the payouts for something that is relatively small

In 2 days hes playing a $1mil tourney, his winnings here dont account for 30% of the buyin

No I dont think Ivey would want to risk his 'casino angle shootin- FTP $ stealinng rep' dont think so (just to make money) ... but thats just me...

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06-29-2014 , 07:11 AM

#57

MauvaisOeil

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nice that he finally won a bracelet after his last outstanding series in 2012

BUT the APAC one should really not be counted as a real wsop bracelet tho. This would be his 9th, and a well deserved 9th. Well it's another debate but still

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06-29-2014 , 10:42 AM

#58

ShortstackCat

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they wouldnt make it so obvious if he was dumping..it would take longer

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06-29-2014 , 10:50 AM

#59

Felt Mountain

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I'm guessing Ivey has that competitive mentality in poker where he would rather win a match fair and square knowing that he beat an opponent at his best rather than fixing the match

Also, it's Phil F'ing Ivey.. He had a big edge going into the HU match anyways, no real need to convince somebody who is worse than him to let him win?

Either way he battled a field of 400+ obviously fairly (unless he convinced the entire field to let him win) down to heads up

Worst thread ever

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06-29-2014 , 11:27 AM

#60

iPUTnutsONtheTABLE

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It makes more sense that Yamron would let Ivey win than them playing straight up for the bracelet.

The difference between 1st and 2nd in the tournament was only $60,000 so if Ivey offered him $100,000+, why wouldn't he take it? Collusion isn't always a bad thing and in this case it's clearly a +EV move. If you can lay down and collect more money for 2nd than 1st, it would be dumb not to. Especially if Ivey had a ton of side action, Yamron could've pocketed double the 1st place money for taking 2nd.

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06-29-2014 , 11:55 AM

#61

commonsense

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I'm not sure how exactly that makes more sense. That a guy who evidently has money and has played at the wsop for years finally gets to hu for a bracelet something that by all accounts meant a ton to him would turn around and tank that chance.

So if Dn would've won would there be threads here assuming that Was collusion? Or if Helmuth had won would people be assuming he'd paid off Forrest?

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06-29-2014 , 03:32 PM

#62

SafeHarborLaw387

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Originally Posted by iPUTnutsONtheTABLE

Thanks Nuts - I think you were the only one who actually read past the title and understood what I was asking. I think it is something very interesting to ponder about whether you put yourself in Ivey's position or if it was you in his position.

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06-29-2014 , 03:44 PM

#63

beauvanlaanen

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Why do people continue to put Negreanu in this discussed. He has already said he has no action in the bet, it's 100% Ivey.

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06-29-2014 , 03:54 PM

#64

moki

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Originally Posted by someseriousBS

Knowing Iveys shady history this is the most likely scenario. They being old friends especially and Yamron being an older gentleman who´s gonna keep the secret. But I think everyone would do it in Iveys place here, no doubt. Money talks...

...and bull**** walks. Enjoy your stroll.

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06-29-2014 , 03:57 PM

#65

scambuster

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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen

Why do people continue to put Negreanu in this discussed. He has already said he has no action in the bet, it's 100% Ivey.

Not proof of who had the action but...

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06-29-2014 , 04:46 PM

#66

commonsense

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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen

Why do people continue to put Negreanu in this discussed. He has already said he has no action in the bet, it's 100% Ivey.

Where did he say this? Everything I've seen him say is that he had a small chunk but Ivey had most. Ivey even mentioned a few times after winning that he was glad to win for Dn.

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06-29-2014 , 08:28 PM

#67

highstakesfan

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Seems things really progressed fast after the bathroom break.

deals are made all the time

nothing wrong with that.

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06-29-2014 , 08:34 PM

#68

StraddleBet

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I didn't read this thread, I read the title of this thread. The title insinuates bad behavior by both Ivey and Yamron, it's your right to ask about it but it seems like pointlessly planting a conspiracy theory to create a thread on the internet. I will now go find something else to discuss.

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06-29-2014 , 08:35 PM

#69

fatkid

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Originally Posted by highstakesfan

Seems things really progressed fast after the bathroom break.

deals are made all the time

nothing wrong with that.

A deal to throw the tourney?? No. You can get disqualified for cheating. Penalties include:

FORFEITURE OF CHIPS
 FORFEITURE OF PRIZE MONEY
 EJECTION FROM THE TOURNAMENT
 LOSS OF PRIVILEGE TO PARTICIPATE IN FUTURE WSOP EVENTS
 EXCLUSION FROM ENTERING THE PREMISES OF RIO AND/OR ALL DESIGNATED AFFILIATES OF RIO.

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06-29-2014 , 09:08 PM

#70

blopp

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Ivey have never done anything shady in a casino setting.

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06-29-2014 , 09:13 PM

#71

hankypankyAA

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If you bet against them you absolutely had to know this was a distinct possibility given iveys track record. I'm not saying he did it, but when you have millions in action and are near the end of the bracelet events and get heads up with someone you'd have to be more than just a little naive to think that ivey is somehow above trying to "get an edge" in any way possible.

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06-29-2014 , 09:19 PM

#72

hankypankyAA

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Originally Posted by The Camel

Is there anything wrong with Ivey buying out his opponent to win a bracelet?

Surely that is factored in to the bet?

I know someone who forfeited the chance to win a bracelet heads up.

He was down 2:1 in chips and got an even money chop but the other guy got the bracelet.

This happens far more than people think also. The rio claims no deals in wsop events but trust me deals are made, and made often. I know if i were ever lucky enough to get heads up i would gladly take the buyout , money is alot more effective than a lousy bracelet that only d-bags actually wear in public.

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06-29-2014 , 09:22 PM

#73

hankypankyAA

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Originally Posted by OMGJustinBieber

I asked Simon Watt on Twitter if Dwan tried to make a deal. He said no. It was rumoured that Dwan would have won $9-12 million in bracelet bets.

Tom was young and naive, oh how the world of thieves, liars, and cheats changes us and jades us all.

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06-29-2014 , 11:09 PM

#74

ChicagoRy

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Seems pretty likely that he'd make a deal if it benefits both parties. Not sure why people would be so naive to think that he wouldn't risk... whatever it is they think he's risking by making a deal with a guy.

Not even sure it's shady, there are only 2 guys left, however they want to do it, even if it's against tournament rules, deals are made all the time when the tournament says you cannot make a deal.