my experience with tournaments and cash games is that casinos do not utilize technology to the extent they should

Do you even read the nonsense you write before clicking the 'post' button?

Mandatory vaccination and boosters verified at the door, with military enforcement if possible. Otherwise I don't see myself feeling safe enough to play.

I'd much prefer if they just enforced hand washing after going to the bathroom.

They should have a shame cam on standby to put on blast anyone who leaves the bathroom without washing their hands.

It's 5 months away so we could very well be dealing with the next variant by then (pi/rho/sigma?)

If we worry about every new variant we will never return to normal. Covid is now endemic. We will be dealing with it forever just like the flu.

Unlike the 2021 wsop, I will be at the 2022 wsop. Can’t wait

Caesars bought Binions once before, that's how they got the WSOP name. They fleeced it for the name, found out what a dumpster fire the property was and sold it off less then a year later. The main hotel tower is a an asbestos mess and there is an issue of about 3-4 families who own that land. There is a reason its been closed since 2009 and its doubtful anyone is coming in to buy it.

They will go back to the Rio for a "throw back" before going back to Binions. That's this generations Binions. Odds are Caesars will rebrand Ballys as Horseshoe (another reason they bought Binions) and try to promote that.

Two of the more interesting tidbits to come out so far:


- According to Neagreanu on the DAT podcast, day ones will be held at Bally's. Day twos will be held at Paris.

- There will be a $1 million Tournament of Champions freeroll for 2021-2022 WSOP ring and bracelet winners.

Wow you seem like a real joy to have a conversation with.

Well, thats me told!

Ok, they were too shocked at the ignorance and stupidity of your question to reply. Or maybe just too polite.

As I recall, when Caesar's bought Binion's Horseshoe in 2004 (just before the Series that year), they primarily wanted the Horseshoe trademark in NV, and also preferred to keep the WSOP brand as well. They never wanted the downtown casino property itself. I also recall that they had a deal in place with a private investment group to buy the property and keep just the Binion's trademark. Thus, they were buying Binion's Horseshoe from Becky and the other family owners, and immediately selling the property and the Binion's trademark to this other group. There was no later sale, it was pre-arranged.

However, this deal happened so soon just before the 2004 WSOP that they did not have enough time to relocate the WSOP, or make any changes to it at all. They left it at Binion's as already planned, with Matt Savage running it, and so on. That's why my bracelet, and all other 2004 bracelets, still say "Horseshoe" on them. All newer bracelets do not have the "Horseshoe" mark on them.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

thanks for sharing! always nice to hear from the old dinosaurs, so to speak

You nailed it, Harrah's at the time bought out Becky, gutted the carcass and then snap sold it to a company right away. Harrah's ran the casino part for a little less then a year for that company to get a casino license and once they did they left downtown. That company sold Binions to the company that owns Four Queens and once they got control they closed the hotel tower and its been a tomb ever since. Gutting it and remodeling is a nightmare since that hotel tower is leased out to 4-5 different companies that own the land.

I've always wanted to do a video or post about the history of the WSOP and specifically how close the WSOP almost ended up in different hands. Jack McClelland talked about it briefly when he was at the "burn this casino down" final table with Phil. Bellagio tried like hell to buy it in 2002. There were rumors of Commerce Casino trying to buy it in the early 2000's. WPT tried to make the WSOP a WPT stop, thank god they didn't if you remember how they used to alter the final table to speed it up for TV. The poker world is a strange place if Harrahs doesn't buy the WSOP.

But yah, no one is going back to Binions. I love the Day 2s at Paris though.

Really interesting read guys, tyvm for sharing

greg, i really wish you posted under and anon account because you constantly post really good stuff here and i always feel like responding positively as it deserves will out me as a sycophantic fan boy bish (which i also am guilty of)

but seriously, that's really interesting and i don't think i've ever seen any post of yours that weren't well thought out and very interesting and on topic - i'm glad you still frequent this place

They don't own binions anymore so I don't think they'll be renaming Bally's horseshoe anytime soon

It's also amazing how Binions (and four queens) websites look like they're from 1997

They bought Binions just to strip it of the name Horseshoe so they could rename casinos Horseshoe. Hammond, Counsel Bluffs, Baltimore… Caesars took over and renamed them Horseshoe. They’ve been trying for decades to rebrand a Las Vegas one. Ballys is now the most likely since it’s a lower tier hotel. Specially with the other Bally brand out there (The TV Network is a different Bally) https://www.casino.org/vitalvegas/lo...horseshoe/amp/

The Hotel in Binions they reopened. Oh my god…those are apart of the casino. I stayed there with a buddy once in 2005. The room was $29 dollars and you could roll out of bed and practically fall into the other bed. A shoebox would have been bigger. Today they just reopened them and called them “vintage rooms”. I’m talking about the Tower. That had around 400 rooms. https://youtu.be/intSfDqQObo

It's actually the other way around. Caesar's does own the Horseshoe brand but they don't own the Bally's brand anymore. The latter was sold last year to Twin River Worldwide Holdings which in turn changed their name to Bally's Corporation.

That's the main reason for the continued speculation about renaming Bally's Las Vegas to Horseshoe.

Interesting, thanks for the correction.

Moving the WSOP to Bally's makes sense now that it could be renamed the Horseshoe. Here are the new possible taglines:

"The World Series of Poker comes back home to the Horseshoe...where legends are made"

"WSOP 2022: The Homecoming"

"WSOP 2022: Welcome Home"

I can't help but picture the famous 1 million in cash displayed at the lobby the way the Mona Lisa is being displayed at the Louvre Museum. Speaking of museum, there could be a new poker museum somewhere in Bally's/Horseshoe, with a Poker Hall of Fame and WSOP Main Even Winners room that would be very grand. A WSOP souvenir shop with Chris Moneymaker, Doyle Brunson, Johnny Moss, Stu Ungar merchandise like shirts, hats, chips, mugs, etc. Phil Hellmuth is right for over emphasizing the WSOP gold bracelet as the highest value commodity in all of poker...bigger than the super high rollers, wpt, and circuit titles put together.

Vince Vaughn should be booted out and replaced by Greg Raymer.

Mandatory boosters even though there is no evidence that the vaccine protects against the new omicron variant? Maybe if by next summer boosters are proven more effective against the new variants ill get it, but as someone who has already been infected with the delta variant, I see no point in getting the booster.

Cool dude in a loose mood...



Think merchandizing...

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