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Old 11-16-2009, 02:36 AM   #51
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Re: A Word To The Wise

i'm even a little surprised they would use chips with actual cash value for these games instead of like tournament chips or some nonsense. but idk?
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:13 AM   #52
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It's so incredibly unlikely that the dealer is stealing during a HSP episode. There is no solid evidence from the youtube video that supports your claim. This thread is dumb imo.

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Old 11-16-2009, 03:33 AM   #53
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Dealer grabs chips like that to pick up the cash as well. Bad procedural technique by him, but lol at trying to say he is stealing on national tv. I find it very odd that no one has questioned your integrity yet for coming on here and accusing him of stealing. 100% bad procedural move by the dealer, but not a "thief". Get a life OP, and some real hair as well.
You can believe what you want. I don't really care. I cannot say for sure he is stealing chips, but I can say this is a very questionable practice at best and has been used by other dealers to steal chips. This is not something they teach in dealer's school. Only this dealer knows for sure what is going on here.

All you people who think I'm making this stuff up, just keep on living in your utopian dream world. You have ALL been the victims of cons and you just don't know it. There is more cheating that goes on in the gambling world than on Wall Street. As for me, I won't ever play higher than 15-30 online and even than I feel I'm taking the worst of it. I wouldn't be surprised if there turns out to be more shenanigans going on in the biggest games online. In fact I'd be surprised if there isn't!

I will be more than glad to give you references as to my integrity. I am fairly well known in gambling circles, particularly high stakes pool games. I have held large amounts of money for some very big games, and even left the premises to get some rest. I've never been one to pull moves. That isn't my MO. I'm the kind of guy who will return a wallet intact if I found it (and have), or return a wad of money (over 2K) to its rightful owner who dropped it on the ground outside the office of a motel. Would you?

I don't want anything that's not mine. It's just plain bad karma!

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Old 11-16-2009, 03:37 AM   #54
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karma isn't real.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:47 AM   #55
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All the OP wanted to do is just give a friendly heads up. I am thankful for the heads up, and I'm sure others are too. OP just ignore the insults.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:53 AM   #56
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karma isn't real.
Karma is a motherf'k'r!
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:06 AM   #57
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i'm even a little surprised they would use chips with actual cash value for these games instead of like tournament chips or some nonsense. but idk?
Real chips, real money here. But after they see this they may take your suggestion in the future.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:13 AM   #58
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At some point "street smarts" crosses over into insane paranoia. When you think that a dealer on national television is palming chips you have crossed that line.

I'm sure dealers palm chips at some non-negligible rate, and this might be a good lesson in what to look for at the table, but if you really think there was theft going on here give your head a shake.

P.S. 9/11 was not an inside job.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:27 AM   #59
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At some point "street smarts" crosses over into insane paranoia. When you think that a dealer on national television is palming chips you have crossed that line.

I'm sure dealers palm chips at some non-negligible rate, and this might be a good lesson in what to look for at the table, but if you really think there was theft going on here give your head a shake.

P.S. 9/11 was not an inside job.
I agree with you about 9/11.

"Insane paranoia." Really! I don't lose any sleep over this stuff. I just know that it happens. That's not insanity my friend, it's reality. You are probably one of those guys who never thought they would be cheating on the inside with online poker. I mean, why would they do that when they are already making all that money? It would be insane to believe that could happen!

Did you say you were always wrong? Wonder why?

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Old 11-16-2009, 01:11 PM   #60
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Look at part three of this show. Then go to about the 7.20 mark and watch closely what happens in the next 2-3 seconds. THAT'S the move!
Absolutely crooked.

Someone contact the show.

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Old 11-16-2009, 03:50 PM   #61
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Does anybody know if the High Stakes Poker game works like a standard casino poker game, with players bringing in and leaving with their own chips and cash, or does GSN "quarantine" the money, so to speak, controlling the buy-ins and cash-outs in order to keep track of winners, losers, etc.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:59 PM   #62
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FWIW I know the OP in real life. He's a super cool dude so to sit here and insult him when he's just offering a simple heads up is kinda weak-sauce imo. Don't people have better things to do than sit on the internet insulting people that are only trying to help them out? Apparently not!!
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:54 PM   #63
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It's so incredibly unlikely that the dealer is stealing during a HSP episode. There is no solid evidence from the youtube video that supports your claim. This thread is dumb imo.
This is clearly wrong.

The evidence is this, the dealer positioned the chips in her hand in the same manner a dealer trying to steal chips would. I agree the evidence is equivocal, what evidence isnt, however this does hugely increase the probabilty of her being a chip theif.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:22 PM   #64
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i think he very clearly made his point of view.

my question is, what does a dealer, who is not allowed to play at the property, do with the chip.

it has to go to a 3rd party who is known to play at that level!
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:29 PM   #65
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The Dealer shouldnt be grabbing chips like that, ever...

Shady imo...
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:31 PM   #66
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FWIW I know the OP in real life. He's a super cool dude so to sit here and insult him when he's just offering a simple heads up is kinda weak-sauce imo. Don't people have better things to do than sit on the internet insulting people that are only trying to help them out? Apparently not!!
Thanks, but it's all water off a duck's back. I offer my opinion about something and people can take it any way they want. I am not offended if someone doesn't believe that it could very well be true. After you've been around gambling long enough (check with Sklansky and Mason, two guys who have), you'll see it all and then some.

Up till the early to mid 60's there will still some juiced up dice tables in downtown Vegas! They could crap you out anytime they wanted to. And when the first four deck shoes were introduced, a few of the smaller casinos (think Reno) had special shoes that allowed the dealer to see the next card and deal himself a second if he didn't like it. How would you like to get 2-1 on the money every time you took a card?

In the biggest poker games back then at the Dunes, suckers were regularly cut up. Almost all the guys who were involved are long since gone with one exception. At the Stardust they had an eye in the sky to see a players hole cards, especially good for gin rummy games. Many casinos had a couple of dealers who they could send in to beat someone using the single deck. Can you spell "mechanic?" They would do this to suspected card counters. Yes there were guys counting cards even before Ed Thorp. They just didn't write any books about it.

Don't get me wrong, most of the games in Vegas were on the square because the bosses knew they had the best of it. But some of the smaller casinos were called "take off" joints and that's just what they did. Maybe you think I'm making this stuff up, but you would be wrong again.

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Old 11-16-2009, 05:45 PM   #67
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i think he very clearly made his point of view.

my question is, what does a dealer, who is not allowed to play at the property, do with the chip.

it has to go to a 3rd party who is known to play at that level!
BINGO! It's not hard to cash a $1,000 chip in Vegas anymore. MANY players (Blackjack and Dice) get colored up as soon as they get on a run. If you are betting black chips ($100) and win a few hands or make a few passes, they are looking to color you up.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:54 PM   #68
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He may not be stealing, however no dealer of any game should be cupping his hand at anytime.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:24 PM   #69
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thank you OP for the head up. I don't play much live and I have to admit I NEVER pay attention to that kind of things... It's a bit scary.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:47 PM   #70
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Thanks, but it's all water off a duck's back. I offer my opinion about something and people can take it any way they want. I am not offended if someone doesn't believe that it could very well be true. After you've been around gambling long enough (check with Sklansky and Mason, two guys who have), you'll see it all and then some.

Up till the early to mid 60's there will still some juiced up dice tables in downtown Vegas! They could crap you out anytime they wanted to. And when the first four deck shoes were introduced, a few of the smaller casinos (think Reno) had special shoes that allowed the dealer to see the next card and deal himself a second if he didn't like it. How would you like to get 2-1 on the money every time you took a card?

In the biggest poker games back then at the Dunes, suckers were regularly cut up. Almost all the guys who were involved are long since gone with one exception. At the Stardust they had an eye in the sky to see a players hole cards, especially good for gin rummy games. Many casinos had a couple of dealers who they could send in to beat someone using the single deck. Can you spell "mechanic?" They would do this to suspected card counters. Yes there were guys counting cards even before Ed Thorp. They just didn't write any books about it.

Don't get me wrong, most of the games in Vegas were on the square because the bosses knew they had the best of it. But some of the smaller casinos were called "take off" joints and that's just what they did. Maybe you think I'm making this stuff up, but you would be wrong again.
I love these old Vegas posts.

Ignore the morons, ToupeeJay. Post more. This is all good stuff, including the heads up about the dealer palming chips. Learn something new every day.

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In the biggest poker games back then at the Dunes, suckers were regularly cut up. Almost all the guys who were involved are long since gone with one exception.

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Old 11-16-2009, 08:02 PM   #71
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Fascinating thread. I can't believe idiots are ragging on Toupee. If you look at the last second of the hand, you can even see the dealer "struggling" with the chips. I really would like if Barry Greenstein checked this out.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:13 PM   #72
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All this video shows is bad technique, not a thief.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:49 PM   #73
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All this video shows is bad technique, not a thief.

Ha Ha! "Bad technique". I like that. Thanks.
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:09 PM   #74
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All this video shows is bad technique, not a thief.
Not even a break-in dealer would handle chips like that, so to think an experienced high-stakes dealer wouldn't be cognizant of this is laughable. Secondly, in the rare instances a dealer needs to pick chips up, they always place their palms face-up immediately afterwords. In fact, all dealers, especially high-limit dealers, will place their palms up after handling the pot in any manner whatsoever.

It being on TV isn't relevant at all. The best palmers can do it so smoothly and at the right time that most players would have to count the pot to figure it out, so to fear casual TV viewers picking up on the move is unrealistic, not to mention that the probability of the camera being on the dealer's hands during a multiway pot with a lot of chatter is small.

That said, without seeing the several seconds before he deals the flop, there's still a non-zero chance that he's just absent-minded, so you can't fry him on just that clip alone.
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:09 PM   #75
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Ha Ha! "Bad technique". I like that. Thanks.
You do realize people aren't perfect right? As in Are you actually 100% implying this dealer on tv is stealing or is a thief? When I said it's bad technique...that's exactly what I mean...I'm sure to be on TV dealing this, they are the best of the best.

I am sure that cheating in this manner has happened before, I am not denying that. But to make a thread accusing this dealer of stealing is pretty bad IMO. That is why I said he just made a bad error in using terrible technique here. He is clearly trying to get everything in one hand with the bundle of cash.
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