Its def popular. But holdem being the easier game thats the one ppl will flock too. U start adding more draws and ppl get scared. Plo cash forever. Nhl tourneys forever

Too many tough decisions and too much variance for it to over take NLHE. And like others have stated the smallest game in PLO plays much bigger than its Holdem equivalent.

no one knows/thread.

its not a sustainable game, people will come in run bad drop 4 buy ins with the best hand and never want to play again

PLO is the game of poker players and degens.

70% of the people in the poker room are neither. Every time I've seen a recreational player sit down and play PLO they end up leaving after 15 minutes looking very confused.

I've had multiple recreational players ask me for strategy advice at the table. They are supposed they to think they know everything. When they are aware they don't you have a problem.

Yes. It's way more fun.

Well, gee whiz, if that's how it works, then PLO stands no chance as seven card stud no peek and Acey-Deucey are way more fun.

PLO fun > barrel of monkeys

No
-Too complicated
-Too high variance

too complicated?

yeah, the first few times I played, I made the noob mistake of forgetting I had to play two - and only two - cards from my hand.

after you learn that aspect (and it doesn't take long once you make a few mistakes with it), the game is exactly like texas holdem - to a noob, remember. I'm not talking making a noob into a world class omaha player reading Hwang and understanding all the math... all we want is to keep them interested in the game.

if you all still think the game is "too complicated" after viewing it that way... why? just tell em "its exactly like texas holdem but with way more action!" I guess you're saying noobs don't like heavy action? Well that's the same as too high variance, so I guess I just shot down my own argument. LOL Just don't say "it's too complicated" because I don't think that's it at all.

It's a lot more difficult to understand how your hole cards make a hand in PLO compared to NLHE. 98 on Q76 is a "open-ender" and is easy to understand. 689T is a lot harder to understand on the same board. Also understanding pot limit is a tough concept to understand never mind calculate.

Some fish love action. They have made the transition to PLO. Most guys don't want to bust their original buyin and their reload in 15 minutes. It will take them a couple hours to lose that money in NLHE. Also fish hate bet/folding and if you don't know how to bet/fold you are going to lose a lot of money quick in PLO.

In the lifetime of all 2+2 members......NO

"Ever" ..... Yeah Sure

Probably eventually. Hard to say when. My guess is 8.3 years from now.

You realize PLO can just die off completely before overtaking NLHE, right? Adding the qualifier of "ever" doesn't mean it will eventually happen.

it definitely is more fun the fish can come in and splash around be really active and win lots of pots

but most of the time they are gonna lose and lose again and lose again and unless they have an endless bankroll they will give up


for the year and a half following black friday you would really only see PLO in vegas at the aria or the venetian, both mostly 1-3 or 1-2 (with 5 bring in) some 2-5, but most of the time it was 8 local grinders that would have been playing online if not for black friday waiting for the 1 fish to stop in and one of them gets the fishes money then another fish comes in and a different grinder stacks him



plus the tv aspect is the biggest thing really, new players want to play that poker game they saw on tv and when was the last time you saw anything but holdem televised?

No, too complicated for the rec player.

The games I play are usually soft home or bar games and most the people there have a hard enough time understanding what being counterfeited means. I've asked many of them if they would be interested in a PLO game and they all say they don't like it because it is too confusing. These same people have no problem throwing money down in a Hold 'em game.

Hold 'em is simple and any idiot can learn the basics and most of those idiots believe they can outplay anyone. And that is why hold 'em will always be a beatable game.

I believe it may very well replace NLHE in the future. Much more fun, lots of gamble and lots more chances to hit flops.
NLE is a very dull, boringly predictable experience, especially micro/low stakes where you literally have to 6bet bluff shove the bb in order to take it pre. You gotta 3barrel air to take down a pot, you gotta flip your way to final tables because every tard wants to be allin with their 44/55.
Its a very boring game to play for rec/new/fish players, unless of course you get dealt good hands consistently throughout.

So yes, i reckon if marketed right PLO could become very big indeed.

I've seen a lot of people saying no in this thread, and that really bums me out. I'd have to say,

no.

I'm not sure if others have said it already, but no. It's too obviously complicated, unlike Holdem, which is deceptively simple. The people who seem to be really into PLO are the ones who have already mastered NLHE to the point of boredom, and that's set of players doesn't tend to have a whole lot of true amateurs.

In a live setting, it also doesn't help that the regs seem to want to take over the running of the game and "make it play better", which in reality makes it play even worse for the amateur player, not to mention the intimidation factor of it all.

only way PLO becomes #1 is if they make like 1/3 of tournaments PLO...

the potential is there tho. Cash games are often running more in PLO than nlhe on some sites.

Did you accidentally leave off /sarcasm?

Maybe.

this

PLO is so painful live. Physically dealing 36 cards is brutal.

PLO is the Whiskey of Poker. NLHM is the beer.

When young people take that 1st drink....it's usually something simple....beer/wine.....but after awhile...with more experience.....they move on to something more challenging.......more adventurous.......with a bit more kick.

PLO will get bigger, but it will also be filling up with experienced NLHM players looking to expand their game.

And then they will get ****ed up......go back to beer, and vow never to drink the hard stuff again.....but then....they will.....