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11-08-2021 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Pyrochaos
Rich people love spending money on extravagant things that make them feel exclusive or special.
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Originally Posted by Pokerbros_Player
I love how people have strong opinions about stuff they apparently don't understand at all ...

NFTs are a completely new asset class, opening up endless possibilities; the thing with "millions for pixel pics" is just a fluke, but real applications are coming (or already there)

but i'm not gonna educate you any further (wouldn't be appreciated anyway), do your own research. or not.
What about my statement was incorrect?
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11-09-2021 , 10:03 PM
I am shocked no one brought up brokefishpoker.com & https://rarible.com/brokefishpoker


I started playing poker back in 2000's from Pokemon so to be able to have Poker + Pokemon cards this is creative & def something I would look into.




They currently have released 20 different cards they released as a NFT and 4 physical collector cards for only $10



Jonathan Little actually owns his own card and purchased other cards
(You can see the transaction where it was transferred to him here: https://rarible.com/token/0xd07dc426...64?tab=history)



They have tons of great NFT Pokermon cards still out there you can own for a fraction of a Ethereum
(https://rarible.com/brokefishpoker)

Doyle


KGB


Even Postle lol check out his ability



My buddy BrokeFish creates these NFTS and I will pop in to let everyone know of any future releases. Feel free to ask any questions and PM me if you make any purchase as he is thinking of doing a SNG online for any one that makes a purchase to win a future drop
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11-09-2021 , 10:09 PM
really appreciate you disclosing your relationship to it, most people wouldn't do that

do you own any yourself?
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11-10-2021 , 05:39 AM
Is there an NFT of Phil playing Baccarat with "Sun" letting him know what the cards are as he crushes casinos for millions of dollars.
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11-10-2021 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
really appreciate you disclosing your relationship to it, most people wouldn't do that

do you own any yourself?

I am purchasing my first one next week gas fee's have been high and invested some in shiba to see how that goes.
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11-10-2021 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CmonSon
I am purchasing my first one next week gas fee's have been high and invested some in shiba to see how that goes.
Please don't get me wrong, i love this, good move.

but, to put things into perspective:
You show that whole collection, and it's totally ok, people give me **** (call it "promotion"), because i make a joke about getting people on a whitelist for an upcoming collection

2+2 ... the forum where not everybody is equal ;-)))
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11-10-2021 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by HokieGreg
Check out Layer 2 solutions like Immutable X.

Interesting. Still wrapping my head around all of this for the first time, but sounds like until the end of roadmap when Shards Chain arrives, there are still gonna be tradeoffs for speed / costs reductions.

ETH has opened up a big hole for SOL to continue to build its developer base. Recent spikes in gas prices and such have made it worse. I would think there is plenty of room for both, but the enhancements to ETH just feel sort of workarounds whereas SOL native is built for speed and low costs. A classic case of innovators dilemma for ETH.

Lots of room for both. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Did any of Phil Ivey's gym shoe NFTs trade for anything meaningful? I cant find marketplace for them to see sales/offers etc
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11-10-2021 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
Could you expand on your comment.
sorry, i won't. if i was to expand on it, it would just open more rabbit holes don't have the time, plus i'd be struggling with putting out information about decentralised projects on a forum that is a good example of why centralisation can suck - but that's just another rabbit hole.

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Originally Posted by CmonSon
I am shocked no one brought up brokefishpoker.com
ofc you are

playing card NFTs mainly gain their value from two sources: 1) in-game value and 2) collectible value. take sorare fantasy football as an example (also a good example of a layer2 solution for eth @PTLou): you can buy football (soccer) playing cards as NFTs to participate in fantasy football leagues and you can hope that these NFTs will have a collectible value in the future. this collectible value is highly correlated with two factors: 1) wide adoption of the game (many people play it) and 2) official licensing (sorare mints playing cards from clubs that they have license agreements with).

i'll leave the comparison to these brokefishpoker "pokermon" playing cards to the people. 0.9 eth for a teddy kgb card, ay caramba!

disclaimer: i am in no way affiliated with sorare and don't own any of their NFTs. this isn't financial advise in any form.
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11-10-2021 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by samooth
sorry, i won't. if i was to expand on it, it would just open more rabbit holes don't have the time, plus i'd be struggling with putting out information about decentralised projects on a forum that is a good example of why centralisation can suck - but that's just another rabbit hole.



ofc you are

playing card NFTs mainly gain their value from two sources: 1) in-game value and 2) collectible value. take sorare fantasy football as an example (also a good example of a layer2 solution for eth @PTLou): you can buy football (soccer) playing cards as NFTs to participate in fantasy football leagues and you can hope that these NFTs will have a collectible value in the future. this collectible value is highly correlated with two factors: 1) wide adoption of the game (many people play it) and 2) official licensing (sorare mints playing cards from clubs that they have license agreements with).

i'll leave the comparison to these brokefishpoker "pokermon" playing cards to the people. 0.9 eth for a teddy kgb card, ay caramba!

disclaimer: i am in no way affiliated with sorare and don't own any of their NFTs. this isn't financial advise in any form.
Lol i just heard Bart Simpson in my head with the AYY CARAMBAA!!! Totally fair they are some that 1/5 for like $200 worth of Ether the KGB ones u will own the right and own the only NFT for it.

I do feel with so many online players using crypto to deposit/withdraw this may be adaptable in the future. But I am no financial adviser and a losing poker player who plays for fun
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11-13-2021 , 02:20 PM
I decided to experiment with making an nft series of 88 NFTs that are photos of Downtown Las Vegas called The Real: Las Vegas, which you can see here:
https://opensea.io/collection/thereallasvegas

I priced them at .0888 and they sold out within a day to many of the sharpest people in the space (VonMises, VVD, jony_bee), many of my favorite artists (PopWonder,ZacharyWinterton, WesHenry, Sabet, DarioDesiena etc.), plus a few people in the poker space. There have been a few secondary sales and the floor is currently .37.

Hidden among the nfts in the unlockable content section I included:

2 private coaching sessions with me (these transfer to each new owner)
2 "I will buy you drinks next time we are in the same place" tickets (these transfer to each new owner)
11 1-month memberships to my training site (these transfer to each new owner)
11 bonus nfts from other artists I like (only for the initial purchaser)
20 bonus nfts of additional photos of Downtown Las Vegas (only for the initial purchaser)
The bonus additional photos can be seen here:
https://opensea.io/collection/the-real-added-value

In addition to this, after the sale was complete, I announced that holders will get .1% of my action in various poker tournaments I play going forward as I see fit, including my WSOP Main Event for at least a few years.
I am also throwing fun parties for holders (including one very soon at Barry's and the Legacy Club in Las Vegas).
These two perks have helped drive secondary sales a decent amount because the value of a few $500/person parties plus various pieces of my action has at least some value.

This has been a fun experiment and I am looking forward to figuring out other creative ways to add value going forward.
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11-13-2021 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FieryJustice

This has been a fun experiment and I am looking forward to figuring out other creative ways to add value going forward.
Interesting. Was this first time you played around with posting stuff on Opensea? was it easy to do?

saw this.. love the butts, 55ETH... thats over 13ETH per butt cheek. tempting




Im still looking for interesting NFT poker projects (not just pics), but NFT poker games/applications, etc... Seen a few but nothing looks like it will catch on
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11-14-2021 , 01:10 AM
I just signed up with a new account for my website, although I have used this forum in the past. I just saw that someone posted about my card project and I wanted to weigh in. in terms of the collectibility of the cards being an important factor in value, I totally agree! The Teddy KGB is by far the highest-priced card in the collection because it comes with the rights to the art AND more importantly a 1 of a kind physical card (NFT companion) they are actually rather expensive to make and will come in a cool case etc! Doing something totally new here but originally I was offering NFT for under $100 which is sort of unheard of in this space (and I have several listed for .025 Eth still! I honestly appreciate the conversation because I have trouble pricing this stuff but people have bought and resold at over 10x and I honestly feel what we are building will be around in 5 years because we add the physical cards ... and just trying to make something cool and unique I don't expect every piece to sell.

In a perfect world I would make like 100 NFT of each design and it would come with a physical card linked to the NFT... Perhaps $25 a card? However, the issue with Eth NFT is the gas and the stuff that is selling are super rare 1 of a kind items with some sort of utility/collectibility so I am trying to add both with the physical card (while also appealing to the card collector market.) and also going to be doing a series of exclusive tournaments for card owners etc. I think the higher priced 1 of a kind items are really me trying to adapt to the market and hoping I find the right individual for each card as opposed to selling in mass.

I appreciate you coming along and @cmonson message me on Twitter I will help you out with owning your first card!



And to anyone else if you follow me on Twitter hit me up for a free card!
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11-14-2021 , 11:45 AM
Let me get this straight, those two women were photographed on the strip and now their image is being sold as an NFT with no consent or compensation

really impressive scam Mr Little, hats off

Last edited by Bakes; 11-14-2021 at 12:13 PM.
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11-14-2021 , 12:53 PM
here's an image for sale on JLittle's OpenSea



taking pictures of people passed out on the street, calling it "digital art" and bundling it with appearances, meals, and wsop sweats. really fun and cool society we have going right now.

****ing scumbag
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11-14-2021 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bakes
Let me get this straight, those two women were photographed on the strip and now their image is being sold as an NFT with no consent or compensation

really impressive scam Mr Little, hats off
not just being sold. Being sold for $247,500 !

I have no idea who that person is but my sense is they were just playing around and had little experience with what they were doing. could be long con. who knows. NFT's are still in wild wild west mode. Though some of the initial crazy is wearing off with WAY more supply of everything than demand. But yeah I wouldnt even put what was above in category of NFT. just NFT labeled wierdness

NFT Gaming is next frointier. Hopefully some good poker themed projects emerge. I think any winner in poker genre will be some sort of game with poker theme, and not just a traditional poker site that incorporates some form of NFT.

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11-14-2021 , 05:14 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Little

How does copyright or ownership work? Say I 'own' the photo Bakes posted. Is their any legal avenue to sue him or stop him using it?
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11-14-2021 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by thethethe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Little

How does copyright or ownership work? Say I 'own' the photo Bakes posted. Is their any legal avenue to sue him or stop him using it?
Very broad generalisation, but if a piece of work is used for an entirely different purpose to that which was intended, it's usually OK in copyright terms. So Bakes sharing a screenshot is not the same purpose which Jonathan had for the picture, which was to sell it. In particular if you add your own commentary it's fair game, like satire. Given Bakes was calling Jonathan out for what he considers exploitative behaviour, that is certainly not the sort of thing that was originally intended.

The NFTs in particular anyone can 'share' the picture, it's the 'minting' that makes them rare.
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11-14-2021 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FieryJustice
I decided to experiment with making an nft series of 88 NFTs that are photos of Downtown Las Vegas called The Real: Las Vegas, which you can see here:
https://opensea.io/collection/thereallasvegas

I priced them at .0888 and they sold out within a day to many of the sharpest people in the space (VonMises, VVD, jony_bee), many of my favorite artists (PopWonder,ZacharyWinterton, WesHenry, Sabet, DarioDesiena etc.), plus a few people in the poker space. There have been a few secondary sales and the floor is currently .37.

Hidden among the nfts in the unlockable content section I included:

2 private coaching sessions with me (these transfer to each new owner)
2 "I will buy you drinks next time we are in the same place" tickets (these transfer to each new owner)
11 1-month memberships to my training site (these transfer to each new owner)
11 bonus nfts from other artists I like (only for the initial purchaser)
20 bonus nfts of additional photos of Downtown Las Vegas (only for the initial purchaser)
The bonus additional photos can be seen here:
https://opensea.io/collection/the-real-added-value

In addition to this, after the sale was complete, I announced that holders will get .1% of my action in various poker tournaments I play going forward as I see fit, including my WSOP Main Event for at least a few years.
I am also throwing fun parties for holders (including one very soon at Barry's and the Legacy Club in Las Vegas).
These two perks have helped drive secondary sales a decent amount because the value of a few $500/person parties plus various pieces of my action has at least some value.

This has been a fun experiment and I am looking forward to figuring out other creative ways to add value going forward.
disclaimer: i'm not qualified to give legal advise in any form. and again, this isn't financial advise in any form.

i'm assuming that you are Jonathan Little. surely you must be aware that taking photographs of people, private buildings, or products and selling/offering these to the public can face legal issues in most countries, regardless of whether you offer them as a hard or digital copy, or whether they are linked to a NFT or not. i don't know how US/nevada law handles this and whether or not you got consent (or had to get consent), but the fact that you don't even address this issue comes across sketchy.

in general, when buying NFTs that are linked to digital art, buyers should always be concerned with whether or not the creator of the NFT owns the right of the underlying art, and the right to publish/sell it. that's why i mentioned official licensing when i talked about playing card NFTs in my previous post.

in addition, buyers should always be careful when buying a NFT also comes with promises of real life services (and goods) that aren't verifiable by code (and hence the blockchain). the buyer has to trust that the creator of the NFT is handling these real life service promises with good faith.

lastly, scarcity is of one of the biggest factors to NFT art value. again, buyers need to trust that the creator won't dilute the value of the bought NFT by minting and offering new ones (linked to the same or slightly altered art) in the future, be it on the same or a different blockchain, or on the same or a different market place.

on a personal note, i hate the usage of the word experiment, and your post is clearly an ad. people trying to leverage their brand/clout and selling something as NFTs - and other people buying it - is why a lot of people call it a NFT bubble.

an example, that - to be fair - is not directly comparable to what Jonathan is doing:



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Originally Posted by PTLou
not just being sold. Being sold for $247,500 !
it's not being sold for this amount, but simply offered. a lot of ppl who buy a NFT will put out a ridic offer price in hopes to get larger offers from potential buyers.

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Originally Posted by BrokeFish
I just signed up with a new account for my website, although I have used this forum in the past. I just saw that someone posted about my card project and I wanted to weigh in. in terms of the collectibility of the cards being an important factor in value, I totally agree! The Teddy KGB is by far the highest-priced card in the collection because it comes with the rights to the art AND more importantly a 1 of a kind physical card (NFT companion) they are actually rather expensive to make and will come in a cool case etc! Doing something totally new here but originally I was offering NFT for under $100 which is sort of unheard of in this space (and I have several listed for .025 Eth still! I honestly appreciate the conversation because I have trouble pricing this stuff but people have bought and resold at over 10x and I honestly feel what we are building will be around in 5 years because we add the physical cards ... and just trying to make something cool and unique I don't expect every piece to sell.

In a perfect world I would make like 100 NFT of each design and it would come with a physical card linked to the NFT... Perhaps $25 a card? However, the issue with Eth NFT is the gas and the stuff that is selling are super rare 1 of a kind items with some sort of utility/collectibility so I am trying to add both with the physical card (while also appealing to the card collector market.) and also going to be doing a series of exclusive tournaments for card owners etc. I think the higher priced 1 of a kind items are really me trying to adapt to the market and hoping I find the right individual for each card as opposed to selling in mass.

I appreciate you coming along and @cmonson message me on Twitter I will help you out with owning your first card!



And to anyone else if you follow me on Twitter hit me up for a free card!
is pokermon a playing card game that people can actually play? are these cards compatible with pokemon playing cards? if not, i'm assuming that framing those pictures as playing cards is part of the art.

there are other NFT-compatible blockchains out there that allow you to mint for smaller fees. again, buyers need to trust that you are acting in good faith when it comes to the scarcity of your NFTs. you could mint another teddy kgb card and add an oreo cookie to the picture - i doubt the buyer of the current card would be happy about this.

and again, i don't know whether or not it is fine for you to use real life/fictional movie names on your cards, or whether or not you have (or had to get) consent/licensing.

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11-14-2021 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bakes
Let me get this straight, those two women were photographed on the strip and now their image is being sold as an NFT with no consent or compensation

really impressive scam Mr Little, hats off
All performers were paid whatever rate they asked for (usually $10 or $20) and I told them it would be part of an NFT photo series. I gave out roughly $800 to people who seemed to be in need while walking around downtown (including $100 to the person in Nap Time). I did not get consent to use the photos from tourists/people in the background though.

The purpose of the series was to show Downtown as it actually is. Most people only want to show off the pretty side of Vegas but a lot of it is rough. I do not think that side of it should be ignored. Awareness is key.
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11-14-2021 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
Interesting. Was this first time you played around with posting stuff on Opensea? was it easy to do?
Posting an NFT on Opensea is REALLY easy to do. You just click the My Collections tab in your profile and go from there.
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11-14-2021 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bakes
Let me get this straight, those two women were photographed on the strip and now their image is being sold as an NFT with no consent or compensation

really impressive scam Mr Little, hats off

He doesnt need consent. Photography in public is a 1st amendment right that has been affirmed many times by SCOTUS.
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11-14-2021 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FieryJustice
I was inspired by your work so have created my collection of NFTs. Havent set prices yet, but will be something around 3.50Eth



https://opensea.io/collection/nft-of-an-nft
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11-14-2021 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
I was inspired by your work so have created my collection of NFTs. Havent set prices yet, but will be something around 3.50Eth



https://opensea.io/collection/nft-of-an-nft
Nice one! Looks rare.
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11-14-2021 , 09:59 PM
if you create and NFT of mine the blockchain will assplode
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11-15-2021 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
NFT Gaming is next frointier. Hopefully some good poker themed projects emerge. I think any winner in poker genre will be some sort of game with poker theme, and not just a traditional poker site that incorporates some form of NFT.
yup completely agree, nft gaming is the future i think most nft's out there will be worth very little in a few years but nft gaming where your nfts have actual utility thats where its at

we dont need hundreds of cryptopunks/bored ape clones but if you can find the right gaming project thats what will last long term

i play a fantasy football (soccer) game where all the players are nft's you must own them to play and can use to win eth or more nft's that you can keep or sell on the market

i dont really see how a poker themed game would need nfts tho only need cards and chips to play not sure where the use is for nfts there
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