lol

BFP-( The question of fair use is a tricky one but it is my main argument here. I think its obvious I'm not making real pokemon cards just art... It isn't a game and never will be. In many instances I DO have permission to use the names but generally speaking a name itself is fair use... sometimes not when the person is a celebrity so its a fair question. my intention isn't to upset anyone or violate their rights and honestly am in good faith operating under the belief the NFT we are making falls under fair use and therefor I have the right to use it. The players, the photographer of photos for which they were referenced for the artwork OR Nintendo the owners of pokemon could always disagree and file suit... but I am just trying to make cool collectibles so I hope no one gets that upset. I would compare the cards generally speaking to Andy Warhol. A pop artist. And if you look at history his right to use images of famous people for his art has been both defended and rejected over time. Also, similar cases would be something like the Hustler magazine case chronicled in the people vs larry flynt. That was more of a "parody" case for the benefit of public interest and while it isn't a perfect parallel i do try to have a bit of satirical nature about the card texts and on the new "white magic" card even some visual humor...)

I hope that answers all of your questions

Is it next week yet?
Haha but seriously dude thanks for the share, and turning me onto this forum.

appreciated, gl with your project!

regarding gas fees...


I'm going to take a flyer on a new ETH project . Not poker related and sort of a game. its WL mint is .08ETH. They've coded something interesting (or bought the service).

You can mint and own when WL minting opens up for 24hours. But you can wait and pay gasfees when you want. with such a low cost project on ETH, fees are still gonna be ridic. But I thought what they were doing with paying gas fees when you want was good solution that most low cost ETH launches will replicate soon.

what time EST is typically lowest cost? etherscan.io isnt straightforward of time of day costs

You just want to follow gas tracker... I find that its sort of his or miss at all times, I haven't found a specific time that works best.

yes I've been watching it to be prepared for Friday. seems pretty random,

SOL ftw

The great thing about NFS is that they are unhackable.. oh wait.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59262326

To sum up. you can see every NFT image that circulated in the ethereum network, but it doesn't matter, because if you paid for it, you have bragging rights.

Don't forget the clout too!

pretty big misunderstanding of what NFTs are and do.

a NFT is a digital contract that grants the owner certain rights to a digital art piece. NFTs solve all kinds of problems related to digital art mgmt, for creators as well as buyers. storing the digital art on the blockchain itself would be counterproductive - once a(n) (digital) art piece is exposed, there will always be a way to copy it.

just because you can copy the linked digital art piece, it doesn't equate to NFTs being "hackable" - they are (assuming the underlying blockchain is coded bug-free and is sufficiently decentralised). by your logic the wikipedia site of the Mona Lisa has hacked the Louvre museum (bit of a stretch but hopefully you get the point).

if you own the NFT, you're granted certain rights, for instance ownership rights. by owning the NFT you can prove the authenticity of the linked digital art and the rights that come with the NFT. you consider that to be a "bragging right", and i totally understand where you're coming from. i wonder, too, why ppl are willing to pay absurd sums of money for physical art like paintings, when you can simply print out a digital copy in good quality and hang it on your wall - nethertheless there is a market for it.

this is not exclusive to art lovers, go ask some of your female friends whether they would value an original Louis Vuitton bag and a 1:1 copy that doesn't look or feel different at all differently - you would probably be surprised by the answers.

yeah pretty thin understanding

NFTs are just so much more than static images. Utility projects coming online are pushing envelopes into all sorts of new areas.

I haven't found any interesting poker ones yet. but for example since you talked about art . here is a SOL based project that dropped yesterday (ETH=Myspace SOL=Facebook ). Full disclosure I did mint some pieces so maybe this is shilly but does speak to my point above and its just happens to be one that I am familiar with

https://www.luxai.art/

This is AI (nerual net) Generated Art. I would try to explain but still wrapping my head around and project founder does a better job below. They are also building a Virtual Reality Museum where people will go and do a variety of things with these NFTs and others. Facebook didnt change their name to Meta just cause it sounded better. Metaverse is the next frontier. We havent even scratched the surface of the surface of where all this is going. NFTs will continue to be a part of that.




This is just one example in the high end art space. As far as NFT Gaming projects launching. I could spend all afternoon showing and talking about epically innovative things in that space. What if you told you that many of those those micro stakes grinders (mostly from low wage countries) that mess mess up poker ecosystems are going to soon stop playing poker because they can earn more money playing an NFT game, creating NFT asset (s) and then selling that in the open market. Would you believe me?


So yeah if hear "NFT" and think its just a pic and anyone can download so someone is idiot for paying a $1 or $50,000 or $1,000,000 for one of these these, you might want to recalibrate your thinking.

EDIT: better yet get in the game now. go mint one of those pieces of art from above Cuz its goNnA du this 4 suRe

fmp

the best argument i heard was that people being able to order a 1:1 copy of the mona lisa and hang it in their living room or to download it and use her as their phone background doesn't detract at all the value of the original but rather reinforces exactly why the original is so valuable

That makes good sense.

My main point that if someone is discussing NFTs under the lens of them being jpegs of pictures, then they would be missing 95% of what they are.

Carrying on with my example above. that SOL based art project is developing this Virtual 3D Museum (aka Metaverse) where all sort of things will be happening with other humans . Your ticket into this museum of the future will be the NFT you bought from them (which is also a killer piece of art)

As they grow the market for events in this virtual museums from others, the owners (i.e. NFT holders) will benefit financially.

This is just one example of the innovation that is exploding in the NFT space.

This argument is an imperfect understanding of what an NFT offers.
For me only the buyer will get the 1 of a kind physical card, the rights to use the artwork commercially and only the buyers get into the club which allows you access to our yearly championship and play against REAL PROS.

Only the NFT owner will have the deed to the car or house, or contracts etc. I understand someone can download the image and look at it or whatever (if they use someones stuff commercially its still illegal) and ultimately I am GLAD when someone wants to share our stuff. It helps spread the word!

OK Ive morphed, was just investigating before but now , this is a total shill.... but WTF on this . Im doing this a PSA not a shill you will thank me later . if you are into NFT art. #probablynothing lol they are about 4000/5000 minted of this first collection,

Art, NFT, VR all coming together on SOL network.




oh in case you are wondering who the artist is... Voila.

tyler hobbs.... pffffff old school has been

who doesn't love a good I told you so post

LuxAI project 5000/5000 sold out .99 SOL mint. no rarities. new kind of AI art where all totally unique.

hit market a few days ago. 2/4 themes already at 4-5SOL floor and holding. other 2 are holding 1.5 - 2

handful of pieces sold for above 20. highest 27SOL. all pretty insane for any projects in this market except maybe artblocks weekly collections

Im just a buyer not involved with project in any way.... but active in the discord (which is going nuts). for some reason just did a $100 giveway for first person that could give the importance of this moment. it was a so much fun. but after about 20 minutes 3 of them got close enuf so I paid.

Super proud of how this came out so I wanted to share! (Our first 1/1 NFT companion card.) I know a lot of people have questioned the price of this project but I really think the combination of NFT with physical goods is something not many other people are doing yet. I think it helps us stand out in the space and will help us stand the test of time. Ultimately I just hope you guys find this to be "cool"!

*EDIT* Idk why the image didn't work I am not used to this site yet... here is the Tweet
https://twitter.com/fish_broke/statu...826824/photo/1

personally - as a potential buyer - a few things stand out as confusing when i click through the NFTs that you have created on rarible, so here goes my genuine feedback:

1) you call it a "combination of NFT with physical goods", but that's not really what it is as only the first buyer gets the physical card (as a gift) and the physical card is in no way linked to the blockchain or NFT. in addition, physical cards only come with some of the cards that you have created.

2) there is no explicit license agreement, so the holder of the NFT has to stick to whatever preset license rarible has in their T&C for all your NFTs that don't address rights in their description, and the rarible T&C plus your short description that grants "full commercial rights to the artwork" for those that do. in general, it would be wise to link NFTs to explicit license agreements for the holder to exactly know what he/she can or can't do with the underlying art.

you seem to think that giving out physical cards to the first buyer is a great incentive, but have you considered that it might be counterproductive? two hypothetical scenarios: 1) someone buys the Teddy KGB card and then resells it to someone else, the second buyer has full commercial rights to the art, creates lots of identical physical cards and sells them on amazon. the value of the physical card that you gifted is now diluted. 2) someone buys the Teddy KGB card and then resells it to someone else, the first buyer actions off the physical card in a real life action for an absurd amount of money - can the second buyer (the holder of the NFT) sue him since he/she has full commercial rights to the artwork?

3) some of your cards are not unique as there are multiple copies of them - why? in addition, apparently there is no serial number (eg "pokermon card 2/5") or an indication of the scarcity to be found on these.

4) in addition to "pokermon" cards, you have created "magic" cards with poker players - why not stick to one theme? in addition, in the description text of the "magic" cards you refer to them as "pokermon" cards.

5) you lowered the listing price of a bunch of the NFTs in small steps over a short period of time - that's usually not a good signal for buyers. maybe it would be wiser to enter with a lower price point.

Ok fair points so I will address it the best I can.
1.) yes the physical cards only come with some of them, originally it was JUST digital art however I have learned in this very new marketplace and I am only doing 1/1 right now and each card comes with an NFT, Also these are companion cards, there is a QR code that you can scan that will link to your owned NFT.

2.) as the creator I am giving the rights to the NFT Holder, They can literally do with the artwork anything they please. No limitations on this.

3.) I did make 5 of all of my original drops. Most NFT are done this way and I don't view it as a mistake... Many of these will still be quite valuable someday IMO especially as the collection grows. By making them all 1/1 for now (and the exclusivity of owning them in order to get into our annual championship which starts in 2022.) I hope to raise the "floor" on these first drops. I have learned and changed my approach for a number of reasons... although I was making more early on actually I feel like this is the best approach for my early investors.

4.) yes the series is still PokrMon there are some in magic styles

5.) you cant start low and go high. you have to pay a high gas fee to delist and relist every time you do that. Also you have to understand that the value of eth has gone from $1700 to $4700 since I started this collection. (the first Negreanu buyer bought it for $50+7 gas fee and resold it a couple months later for $800.. although there are 5 of them, also if you check open sea the early holders arent fighting to get rid of these or feeling the value has dropped. They are ALL listed by big nft collectors for 10K, 20K all the way up to $45,000!) The reason I lower the listing price is to get it back up on the search results. If I list something for 2k it doesn't get shown on the main page, so i start it at 2k and gradually reduce it down 5% at a time to get more exposure. The floor on all the 1/1 is .5 eth and that is the "real price" of any of these 1/1 if i don't sell it for that much I will keep them and never drop them below that price. anyone who contacts me I would say that to.

There is a "serial number" on every NFT it is stored in the blockchain, if you use ether scan you can see that each card has its own code behind it. The reason I have it worded as "the first buyer gets the physical card" is because the most fair criticism of real life art linked to NFT is that the creator cant control what the buyer does after receiving it. No one should buy one of these 1/1 for full value unless also getting the original card. If they do it should be a heavily reduced price.

Also, yes someone could make endless amounts of the cards once they own the rights. You can reproduce prints of any artwork in theory. There will always only be one original companion card linked to the NFT and this is the "first edition" nothing "reprinted" should ever be as valuable as the original. If Phil Nagy for instance wants to buy his card and create 5000 copies and give them away to ACR players he can do it.. They will all be reproductions and much like my original cards which were all done in series of 500 cards the value could be $5 or $10 per card but its never going to be as high as a 1/1 nft companion card linked to the actual NFT.

I hope that answers your questions as much as possible but please let me know if you have any more. You raise some fair criticisms but I hope that gives you a better idea of what I am trying to do and the REAL value of these cards.

lastly as well as "dropping price" I have also "burned" the tokens down to 1 remaining for anything minted early on... and if the Tilly or laak cards (moneymaker sold out) don't sell I will burn those down also.. So I haven't just dropped price but routinely have burned tokens I could have sold, once again to reward early investors. Maybe some buyers though they could spend $80 and make $100,000 and I wish I grew like bored apes YC but the value of every card now is higher than when it was purchased.

are these licensed, ie is negreneau getting royalties for his likeness being used etc

No, its pop art and it falls under fair use. I addressed all this above (Tbh Nintendo or the photographer of the photo of which these cards were then drawn would have better claims to copyright) Most of these players, all save a few... Gave me permission to make the cards or outright asked me to make the cards for them and many of them got a free NFT back when stuff wasn't 1/1.

the "license" is provided from me, as the creator. I don't think there even are "officially licensed" cards for poker players (There were some sets released years ago.) but these are works of art not photographs, often they are done in parody, sometimes not even using full names and in some instances like with the polk card it wasn't even a picture of him referenced (I used a picture of Selbst for that one.) I don't claim anywhere that its an officially licensed product. They are just works of art and I have the right to create art as it doesn't violate anyone's rights.

It's a fair question and it has been ruled both ways historically... here is an interesting example
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2021...aph-rumbles-on

I would say my stuff is MUCH MORE TRANSFORMATIVE than andy warhols paintings.. Which is a painted reproduction of a photo but still in most cases has been ruled "fair use" I don't think anyone could claim these are confused for actual "pokemon or magic cards" especially when you see the backs of the cards where it has my logo. And I am not just drawing a photo but transforming these in multiple ways beyond that and creating a whole new thing with them.

If someone thinks they own the rights, well that is why we have courts... but I am not going to stop making the art

hilarious happening last night re: NFT Poker

new launch (solwitches) did what I thought was interesting collaboration with a few projects (one I am connected to sol parasites <----- very cool).

Anyway they invited people to play in a MTT freeroll $1000 cash and 1:1 Rare of their upcoming solwitches launch plus other prizes down to 7th placec (more nfts, some cash, etc)

Poker site (pokernow.club) was integrated with discord and all solwitches community manager had to do was send link to invitees. we clicked on link and then boom all at tables playing in MTT. super easy for players, no reg required, no download. poker software UI was basic but worked great. . anyway it was fun and simple no cost way to attract new members to channel.

I of course bubble 8th place (thinly veiled brag). no biggie was really more interested in checking out how commmunity manager was managing this marketing promo

Bought an hour later I get a ping from solwitches owner asking for my wallet to send me prize

Evidently one of the guys that busted at final table WAS MULTI ACCOUNTING ON A DISCORD FREEROLL MTT.

Im still lmao

effing poker players. just cant stop cheating. smh