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09-18-2024 , 12:15 AM
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09-18-2024 , 06:53 AM
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they can do all that but are still recording with a potato
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09-18-2024 , 10:16 AM
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Point is, "consulting their phone" needs to be clearly defined. Not to be nitpicking, but the grey areas matter because that is where the cheating will come from.
I agree it needs to be a very clear line of demarcation. If your phone leaves your pocket during a hand, your hand’s dead. This might mean you need to physically take your earbuds out if you don’t want to listen to music during a hand.

Getting a call in the middle of a hand is an unfortunate but exceptional circumstance. Unless someone conveniently receives a phone call every time they’re in a big pot (which would be obvious by the third time), I don’t think consistent enforcement is critical. I personally push the bumpers on the side of my phone through my pocket so I don’t have to take it out. Not sure you can guarantee everyone handles it that way.
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09-18-2024 , 04:24 PM
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I would tend to favour not allowing anything on the felt and a rule of no phone use when your involved in a hand. Cheats will always find a way but we should at least give them less opportunity.
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09-18-2024 , 09:43 PM
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Anyone notice many of the posts on the front page of NVG is about cheating and scamming?
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09-19-2024 , 06:58 AM
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what else is new
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09-19-2024 , 01:08 PM
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what else is new
Number of accusations hasn't changed, but the batting average of how many of them are actually valid seems to go up every year...
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09-20-2024 , 04:06 AM
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unless you're a CIA agent i can think of no reason why these should even exist
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10-04-2024 , 02:12 AM
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I think we're in perfect agreement. No reason for anything to be on the felt other than chips and cards.

Unless I'm misunderstanding, the post I was replying to said all of these things should be prohibited from the room altogether.
You can cheat easily with headphones in without ever even having a phone on your person, much less looking at it.
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10-04-2024 , 02:22 AM
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unless you're a CIA agent i can think of no reason why these should even exist
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10-25-2024 , 03:23 PM
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You can cheat easily with headphones in without ever even having a phone on your person, much less looking at it.
How about random headphone inspections? The floor snatches the headphone out in the middle of a hand and puts it into their ear to make sure you’re not getting intel from the windowless van out front.

Additionally, passive aggressive comments about your shitty taste in music/podcasts will be levied when warranted.
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10-26-2024 , 05:55 AM
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How about random headphone inspections? The floor snatches the headphone out in the middle of a hand and puts it into their ear to make sure you’re not getting intel from the windowless van out front.

Additionally, passive aggressive comments about your shitty taste in music/podcasts will be levied when warranted.
Discussed earlier in the thread that most good cheaters aren't using traditional headphones, they are microscopic earpieces.

I had seen this described in other threads and news articles but I had never seen someone showcasing it. Normal looking deck that is tracking all of the cards from one side read of the deck.
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10-27-2024 , 06:44 PM
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Ryan has been behind the scenes running the stream. A lot of the games carry on after the stream ends and he joins them. I don't think it's too farfetched he could have gained a large bankroll throughout the years.
Ryan is not particularly good at poker. He went from being a losing $5/$5 prop player to playing high stakes with virtually no improvement to his game.
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