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08-18-2024 , 04:39 PM
I had a few discussions with regulars of commerce casino. Apparently during WSOP there was a 50/100 game in which 2 unknowns came into the game with phones on table, basically played wild and won the lot. When it was suggested they remove phones from playing area they made some excuses, went to make a call, racked up and left.

During the past 18-24 months while playing mainly 5/10 at commerce I ran really poorly, but ultimately I believe this type of cheating method was behind implemented during some of the games.

Going forward now I know of this method I'll always question any electrical devices in the gaming area(they should be on the rail and only if it doesn't slow the game down).

I also made an observation at the commerce. Half the room is 20/40, 10/20, 5/10 & 5/10 probably 40-50 tables. Most of these tables have DeckMate 2. The other half of the casino is small stakes No limit 1/2 and small limit games which almost every table has DeckMate1. The difference between drop in these games at full cost is $1. $8 total and 5/10 and lower and the other side of the room $7 I believe. The given reason why cardrooms have DM2 is that it's faster and therefore can produce more hands and more rake/drop an hour. Given that there's only $1 difference I'm wondering why they wouldn't update it all and get more revenue. Over 2 years ago some silly side bet game was introduced to the tables and at this table all tables were modified with higher rail, new felt and these electric devices that nobody uses.

Makes me wonder why the owners are leaving money on the table. I don't trust this place. Gaming in California has only been regulated like 20 something years? Place has a history of being shady and now we have all other kinds of stuff to worry about too.

Vote with your feet people, if you don't feel a location is doing enough to protect the integrity of the game avoid it or speak up as a group. That's where NL struggles as a community. We don't have many spokes people.
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08-18-2024 , 10:01 PM
i havnt played a hand of live poker in 10+ years (waste of time online is superior by every metric) but even back then you had to step away from the table to use your phone . if you werent at the table when your hand is dealt your hand is dead. i cant believe this isnt a thing anymore.
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08-18-2024 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
i havnt played a hand of live poker in 10+ years (waste of time online is superior by every metric) but even back then you had to step away from the table to use your phone . if you werent at the table when your hand is dealt your hand is dead. i cant believe this isnt a thing anymore.
this was not a thing in cash games even 10 years ago. tournaments have different rules.
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08-19-2024 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PartyScout
I had a few discussions with regulars of commerce casino. Apparently during WSOP there was a 50/100 game in which 2 unknowns came into the game with phones on table, basically played wild and won the lot. When it was suggested they remove phones from playing area they made some excuses, went to make a call, racked up and left.

During the past 18-24 months while playing mainly 5/10 at commerce I ran really poorly, but ultimately I believe this type of cheating method was behind implemented during some of the games.

Going forward now I know of this method I'll always question any electrical devices in the gaming area(they should be on the rail and only if it doesn't slow the game down).

I also made an observation at the commerce. Half the room is 20/40, 10/20, 5/10 & 5/10 probably 40-50 tables. Most of these tables have DeckMate 2. The other half of the casino is small stakes No limit 1/2 and small limit games which almost every table has DeckMate1. The difference between drop in these games at full cost is $1. $8 total and 5/10 and lower and the other side of the room $7 I believe. The given reason why cardrooms have DM2 is that it's faster and therefore can produce more hands and more rake/drop an hour. Given that there's only $1 difference I'm wondering why they wouldn't update it all and get more revenue. Over 2 years ago some silly side bet game was introduced to the tables and at this table all tables were modified with higher rail, new felt and these electric devices that nobody uses.

Makes me wonder why the owners are leaving money on the table. I don't trust this place. Gaming in California has only been regulated like 20 something years? Place has a history of being shady and now we have all other kinds of stuff to worry about too.

Vote with your feet people, if you don't feel a location is doing enough to protect the integrity of the game avoid it or speak up as a group. That's where NL struggles as a community. We don't have many spokes people.

Certainly quicker is why the room will claim to use DeckMate2. The fact it can be rigged and by sheer coincidence is used on tables where rigging will be more profitable we are supposed to ignore. BTW I started playing in Gardena CA in 1970 which is 54 years ago and the clubs were not new then.
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08-19-2024 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PartyScout
I had a few discussions with regulars of commerce casino. Apparently during WSOP there was a 50/100 game in which 2 unknowns came into the game with phones on table, basically played wild and won the lot. When it was suggested they remove phones from playing area they made some excuses, went to make a call, racked up and left.

During the past 18-24 months while playing mainly 5/10 at commerce I ran really poorly, but ultimately I believe this type of cheating method was behind implemented during some of the games.

Going forward now I know of this method I'll always question any electrical devices in the gaming area(they should be on the rail and only if it doesn't slow the game down).

I also made an observation at the commerce. Half the room is 20/40, 10/20, 5/10 & 5/10 probably 40-50 tables. Most of these tables have DeckMate 2. The other half of the casino is small stakes No limit 1/2 and small limit games which almost every table has DeckMate1. The difference between drop in these games at full cost is $1. $8 total and 5/10 and lower and the other side of the room $7 I believe. The given reason why cardrooms have DM2 is that it's faster and therefore can produce more hands and more rake/drop an hour. Given that there's only $1 difference I'm wondering why they wouldn't update it all and get more revenue. Over 2 years ago some silly side bet game was introduced to the tables and at this table all tables were modified with higher rail, new felt and these electric devices that nobody uses.

Makes me wonder why the owners are leaving money on the table. I don't trust this place. Gaming in California has only been regulated like 20 something years? Place has a history of being shady and now we have all other kinds of stuff to worry about too.

Vote with your feet people, if you don't feel a location is doing enough to protect the integrity of the game avoid it or speak up as a group. That's where NL struggles as a community. We don't have many spokes people.
Can actually confirm exactly this in at least 2 more instances. 1 was during WPT Korea and 1 was Cambodia. Pretty sure these guys have been caught at multiple casinos doing this.
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